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Ratings are a JOKE!

Ratings are a JOKE!

I know it's been said by many before, but I'm gonna rant some more.
This rating system is so corrupt. I submitted an Icon(Adobe CS) 1/21/04 an recieved the infamous "6" then sign in today and notice that it's been downgraded to a "4", 5 days later. PLEASE!! What a joke. The system is pathetic here and everyone knows it. Get rid of the "Ratings" and let the members decide on their own whether they like it or not. Until I see a change, I refuse to submit any of my hard work and time to this caos.
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Reply #26 Top
Whoops, sorry for the double post.
My fault!
Reply #27 Top
Lecrayon believe me, if someone takes ripped work and my 1 ONLY takes it to a 3, I'm not satisfied. This isn't deviant art or some site where EVERYBODY has any and all means to just post crap here. This is a "skinning" community, and all too often people come here and find some icons, or groovy walls. And instead of appreciating it, random joes go, hey I should do stuff to. Then the person who has no graphic experience, or qualities soon realizes they have no idea what they are doing or talking about. It's easy to get inspired by seeing great work, it doesn't mean you should pretend you can. How many people see a good movie and makes them wish they were an actor? Hear's their favorite band play and wishes it was them? Think american idol. The guy judging is honest, which is something EVERYONE needs to hear. He's not afraid to tell someone they are useless, or that they are exactly what they're looking for. Tons of people come here and see what people can do and are inspired to try it themselves, and god love them do. Many of them just see good work, and out of jealousy, envy or otherwise go, "I wanna be important too." Nothing wrong with that either, competition is an excellent means of inspiration. However the people that think that way and the only thing they can do is take someone elses work and expect people to say good job, we have no use for them...I have no use for them.

People think that this is any different than anything else are seriously confused. Like it's ok to copy paste work, slap your name on it and watch the downloads, but it's no different than pulling a milli vanilli. People get all huffy when work is ripped by people known to them, i.e. if I uploaded jairo's work as my own. But people pay no mind to ripped work if it's official or not well known to them. whether it be mormegils work, or a screen shot of the logo of a game, it's ripped work just the same, you're stealing AN artists work just the same, and should be treated JUST THE SAME.

Any ripped images in all forms should be purged from this site, this is and hopefully always will be a skinning site were people upload things they make for designated purposes. Just because wincustomize supplies icons for object dock, and wincustomize doesn't have an icon for space invaders, doesn't give anyone the right to copy paste and put the space invaders logo up as an icon. I'd rather take every single request on myself than see halfwit people copy paste and try to take credit for it. Perhaps you all don't understand how much of an outrage it is for people to rip work until your own work is the one being ripped. If it was up to me any one ripping work, whether local, or official, would be given one warning and the item deleted. If they did it again exile them. Does that sound harsh? How many stores give you a warning for stealing before they ban/arrest you? It seems more than fair to me. Icons, walls, widgets and wingdings apart, stealing something and putting a glass effect on it is still ripping work, and should be treated as so.

Its taboo here, to mention stealing programs on kazaa and such. But stolen images are here all over the place, I don't see the logic in it. I'm tired of seeing people wanting nothing more than a temporary spotlight shining on them, and submit stuff they didn't do, or the even more ridiculous crap of stealing work and putting the copyright symbol and their name on it, just so people can give compliments to them they don't deserve.

I'd dare say most people here that actually does make their own work, aren't in their minds thinking "I wanna make cool stuff for wincustomize till I die and thats it." Logically people that do this stuff would like to do it for a living. Many would probably like to keep putting stuff here even if they had a job doing it. But no job is ever going to pay someone to steal images off the web, and take screen shots. This site should be looked at as a job of sorts. Perhaps the best job you'll ever have, no deadlines, sleep in as long as you want, make your own schedule. You do however still have responsibilities. You can't get away with this stuff in a job, you can't get away with it in a school, why should a "skinning" site be any different. The honest people here that do honest work should for the most part take their ratings to heart, but not as a personal attack. If it has a high rating, good keep up the work, if it's low try harder, keep working at it.

You need thick skin in this field, whether you do it professionally or not. Be prepared to hear what people really think of your work, not just what you wanna hear. If people take it easy on you they are doing you an injustice.

The ripped work however will never set easy on me, perhaps you have to be an artist to truly appreciate art. These clowns that submit work that doesn't belong to them may always be here, get downloads, have good ratings and plenty of warm friendly comments. But anyone that expects me to pat them on the back for it is seriously mistaken.
Reply #28 Top
The system is pathetic here and everyone knows it. Get rid of the "Ratings" and let the members decide on their own whether they like it or not. Until I see a change, I refuse to submit any of my hard work and time to this caos.

I really take no notice of ratings.
If you need the ego boost then I suggest you refrain from submitting your 'hard work' to this 'chaos'.
But ... if you wish to improve and learn then keep on keeping on .....
Reply #29 Top
..and as far as you go poulan, I look through your library, I can see you are able to hold your own now and are getting better day by day. I hope you don't let a rating convince you not to do any more work here. Whether it has room for improvement or not, it IS still appreciated. If you have even a single download that means you have made someone happy, even if they don't leave the comment saying so.

I personally don't see why they are changing the rating system, the only thing I think needs changed about it is when you update a skin, you see a box to check that says,

reset update date
and
in submitting these files for upload I give permission for stardock to use in future skins

there needs to be one more box when you update, real simple, real efficient, the choice to reset your ratings, so that your new update can have a chance to have a fresh start or not.
Reply #30 Top
Thanks for the kind words horiz0n. You actually have inspired me to continue.
Comments are always more appreciated than a number. Too bad folks don't comment often enough on the work. Getting their input does actually go far to help us achieve our pinnacle.
Reply #31 Top
Glad to have you back
Reply #32 Top
I have a rant here but, I don't want to be called a baby, not at my age. Especially, by a group of guys. (Chas asks Leo The Lion for a little courage)
Reply #33 Top
Just because wincustomize supplies icons for object dock, and wincustomize doesn't have an icon for space invaders, doesn't give anyone the right to copy paste and put the space invaders logo up as an icon. I'd rather take every single request on myself than see halfwit people copy paste and try to take credit for it.


Well some of us put in the desciption that we didn't make the icon and take no credit for it...

Like me.
Reply #34 Top
you are a prime example of a fading exception kona, it is good that you make note that you are not the author of the work, (though permission text should technically be included to do it), but you've said you are going to finally do your own work now...correct?
Reply #35 Top
yes i am working on ALOT of projects from scratch.

But lately I have been having fun with SKS and converting msstyles. I just uploaded a WB skin called "Red Dragon" with the original autors permission (included in zip) of course.
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Reply #36 Top
hey, one suggestion, what about starting 2 ratings - one from the mods who rate it b4 adding to the library, & the other from the users who visited your works? i mean, one is staff rating & other is public rating. how's the idea?
Reply #37 Top
I'd rather take every single request on myself than see halfwit people copy paste and try to take credit for it.




does this include those who port?
of all the screen shots i have posted and the one port i have done so far, i too have always given the graphics author the proper recognition.
Reply #38 Top
Tis the reason it's called a permission, permission is like having a green card. Porting things is different than ripping. The author of original work can do whatever he/she wants to with it, if that happens to be leaving it in the capable hands of someone to port it so others can enjoy it to, then it's all good if it's in the graces of the original author. And a screen shot is only displaying what you are doing with work, not taking rights of it, so that is also more than acceptable.
Reply #39 Top
btw don't copy paste my text without permission
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btw don't copy paste my text without permission

Yes, boss....

Reply #41 Top
Sheesh, who needs ratings, and does it really matter ???





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Reply #42 Top

Stumpy...ratings are 'needed' to assist in filtering works when there becomes so many in each section....more-so now than even before.

Perhaps in a less 'open' environment ratings could have been applied and just no-one be informed they were in place.....what you didn't know couldn't hurt you....but alas....

Reply #43 Top
Horizon..I am an artist Rips are rips and should be reported, and taken away from the library. Unless you got permission included...My point was sometimes people get a low rating and your average drops after only 2 rates, read my earlier post on this. I took your 1, as an example. To you maybe a rip gets a 1, better report I'd say..And to give higher rates to a rip that is well done..ahum. It was just beside the point I was trying to put forward.
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Reply #44 Top
I have to say that a 2 is a little bit low rated, I think I would give it a 4-5.
I doubt if it is created from scratch, if not it shouldn't be up here.

If you would just improve one little thing I would rate it a 6 or something but take a second and look at the round cornors... they arent round, they are squared !! anti-aliasing is the trick my friend
Reply #46 Top
[off topic] Styl, I know [/off topic]
Reply #47 Top
well horizon your speach motivated me... i made my first skin,from scratch and named it accordingly. https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.asp?library=3&SkinID=3240 .....
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Reply #48 Top
Nope, instead I would recreate the icon from scratch and do a better job. I


and that is why alot of the work on this site is really good! because it goes through alot of changes.
Reply #49 Top
My suggestion would be to give constructive criticism if a work is rated low


i prefer more comments and constructive criticism than ratings, that way, i can improvise my work to suit others better.
Reply #50 Top
hey, one suggestion, what about starting 2 ratings - one from the mods who rate it b4 adding to the library, & the other from the users who visited your works? i mean, one is staff rating & other is public rating. how's the idea?


wow. good idea. that would give me a chance to see whos rating my skin and how. i mean; i dont want some 9th grader giving one of my skins a 2 just because he has a membership...