Myrkator

Join Date 10/2007

Jagged Edge took 47 of my planets!?!

Hi. Okay, got the game working. Thanks to all here with their helpful advice. Now a game question. I am pretty late in the game, playing against 8 other races in a gigantic galaxy. I am playing the Altarians, all the worlds, except for a handful of Class 1 planets, have been colonized. I am pretty well in the lead on almost everything. Population, Research, Economy, Industy. Only in military am I in second place as the Drath are way ahead of me.
I was in a war with the Drengin, which I was winning, and then out of the blue, this event pops up. Some criminal org called the Jagged Edge took over 117 worlds in the galaxy, 47 of which were mine. What's worse, is they took my best world, a Class 30 that had a few trade goods and super projects on it. Barring, for a moment, the extreme unlikeliness of that happening, as the world was very well-defended, both on the surface and above, I have some questions:

1. Is this a random event?

2. Is there a style of play to avoid this event? (Certain buildings, good vs evil, etc)

3. Can this event be removed, i.e. unscripted or turned off?

This has really wrecked what should be the beginning of an exciting end-game for me. I moved some ships and transports to take back one of the worlds, a Class 20, one turn later, and it already had 14K in troops defending it. So, in one week, a criminal organization has taken over 117 worlds and already has larger armies on them than I have after years of game time????

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I've run into this event a couple of times. I'm not an expert, but, yes, it's a random event. AFAIK, the only way to avoid it is to turn Random Events off entirely when you're setting up the game (I think the option is right below the galaxy size selection). My guess about the 14K in troops is that their takeover didn't involve any kind of fight: it just happened (I know, a bit silly, but it IS a Random Event). Anyway, everything you had on that planet now belongs to them (to paraphrase). If it's possible (and I don't know if it is since they might be considered a minor race), you could try dropping some spies on the farms (drops population), morale buildings (lowers morale so you can use an Information Warfare attack), and any special defense-type buildings on that planet. Then invade. If the game won't let you do that, then you'll just have to slog through a battle with tons of troops. But, hey, you might get a tech out of it

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1. Yes, it's a mega-event. Meant to unbalance the galaxy.
2. Not that I know of.
3. You can turn off Mega-events to prevent this from happening, but it will turn off ALL mega-events. Minor events will still be active though.

I had this in my last game, and it took me almost 3 game years to reclaim them all, plus the planets taken from the other AIs of course. This can be good thing, because they never really massed any navy on Crippling difficulty, so taking back the planets is fairly easy. The nice thing is, when this event happens, I believe they get every tech you've researched as well as any tech the AI's have researched up to that point. Therefore, you can gain every tech the AI's have by invading the JA planets.

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The first time it happened to me, it was still early in the game. I had no ships to speak of and hadn't even thought about researching Planetary Invasion yet. So, I just had to write-off those worlds. The last time, though, I was gearing up to invade an AI. The event happened and, instead of declaring war on the AI, I just declared war on the Jagged Edge and took over their planets (starting with my own) using my stockpile of Transports. I ended up with a much bigger chunk of the map. At that point, mopping up the remaining planets of the AI was easy.

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Mega events are only for the stout of heart. It is for players looking for the ultimate challenge. Players who want to see everything they have worked for destroyed and to gain the satisifaction wiht knowing you survived a mega event.

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Thanks all. What the heck, I still have a huge navy left and a fair amount of transports. I think I will go a Jagged Edge bashing!!

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It's a stupid mega event. I mean, how could it happen in reality if the game were a reality? I just save oft and reload when it happens. One time, though it wasn't that bad and I went with it and all of the planets that I lost came back due to my magnanimous influence. Eventually they all fell back to their old empires one way or another. If the effect is bad enough, I just reload because it's really a silly concept anyway. Where were their ships? On what world(s) were they built and populated? Jagged edge, starting with no planets would have to be more powerfull than the dread lords to take 100+ planets in one gulp, and then they aren't powerfull enough to keep them? Blah! Reload.

I'm on v1.8 and it loads fast.

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LOL i am one of the die-hards that like this event

I just look at it as if some new technology was developed from an alien plan and once switched on took over the minds of the feeble people on some of the planets. Once taken over the aliens returned via a wormhole in spacetime and hence the worlds were lost. Some resistance movements manage to destroy enough of the devices and the populace the revolt allowing some to return to your control

See its easy when you try

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I've had this happen several times and it is very frustrating when playing a gigantic galaxy, winning and have them take over 60 - 70 planets of yours. What I,ve finally done is changed the super ability of my race to super annihilator. Usually when the JE take over your worlds they don't have them defended. Instead of loading up a bunch of troop transports, I just send cargo ships with the spore weapon and invade them. By doing this you not only get your planets back quicker but also as a bonus any spies you have steal an unresearched technology. Now I look forward to this event. I hope this helps.

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I got this event a couple days ago while I was gearing up for an attack on the Drengin. Largest Galaxy size. I lost sixty planets, including all but three of my main shipyards.

luckily I had a transport or two on most worlds. I was able to take back more then half my worlds in one turn, though on the whole the event threw a major wrench into my plans. Oh well. Only way I know of to counteract it is putting two transports in orbit of your worlds. Even if the event happens you can crush them quickly. Biggest annoyance for me is the AI has taken a bunch of their worlds to and jumped in weapon tech from like harpoons to photon torpedoes, and shields from deflectors to the second highest level of shields (both tech's only I had)....

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Mystikmind

Join Date 06/2004

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Well if you build all your projects and trade goods on crap worlds, as you should anyway to avoid destroying tiles on good worlds, the you probably wouldn't have lost any projects!

Personally i think it is a stupid mega event but only because as you say, they take powerful, happy and well defended planets, which is totally counter intuitive.

It would make much more sense if the jaggard knife event took a percentage of your planets which had lesser influence and or morale than the rest. That would be more realistic.

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If you're Evil, even disabling Mega Events won't save you. Instead of the Jagged Edge, the Fundamentalists will take your planets and your tech in a similar manner. But they only hit Evil civs, the Goods and Neutrals don't get affected at all. Since the Fundamentalists are just a normal event, not considered "mega", they can appear in any game.

Recently they hit in my current Bunglers game. They stole my hard won gem of an industrial world, Arcea, and the pointless crap planet of Korx 2. It was a Huge galaxy with Rare Stars and Rare Habitable Planets, so everyone was either stuck in their home systems or had expanded through conquest(only me).

But the Fundamentalists event turned out to be a positive more than negative - The Drengins lost Drengi and the Torians(who had turned Evil) lost Toria. So I sent Spore Bombers to Drengi and Toria just after retaking my lost worlds and then went to the Drengin to buy a Troop Transport and then take the undefended Dark Yor homeworld - but the game CTD and my save files crash while loading, so I've lost the game, for now.

Some of them are kind of pathetic. Like Mega Spy or the Plague, or even the Dread Lords event.

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I like Jagged Edge a lot. One time, they took a bunch of my planets and immediately became the most populous civ in the galaxy by a factor of three. They snatched a bunch of my special improvements too. In fact, I wouldn't mind if the Jagged Edge were given the behavior and capabilities of a full and aggressive major civ enemy when they pop up (that may already be the case, but then again, I play at the toddler level for the most part). It's probably my favorite mega-event.

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The problem with the jagged edge event, is that they DO NOTHING. Essentially you just need to build transports and slaughter all the people on all those planets. It is just annoying.

I would much rather the JN get about 1/2 the planets, but then actually do something. It seems they get allocated the weakest of minor civs AI. Whats funny is usually they are the strongest empire upon their formation.

I don't get the limitations that get placed on the minor civs. They should be just as good as any other as far as transports / ships / and even colonizing. (the colonizing can be annoying, perhaps make them research that 1st tech...)

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Does the Jagged Edge count as a major race when determining if you win a military victory?

Anyway, to answer some questions about "reality", I guess they take over the planets from the ground but not in a military fassion , hence the large population (probably the same as before they defected). So they spead decent or maybe they are a religious cult and on the appointed day they announce that the planets they were successful on are defecting to join them.

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