A suggestion for more in depth interactions with other civs. The Feudal system

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Maybe a future expansion or simple update could instate this idea if people like it, then again, maybe it's been addressed before and rejected.

I think it would be good to have the option to turn a civ into a vassal rather than wipe them out. This would be especially useful with the minor races. Instead of just wiping them out, turn them into a provence of your empire. They benefit from your military protection, economy, everything that the people of your civ enjoy but the trade off is that they are basically servants. They must pay a tribute, the method of payment to be decided by the Lord (the superior civ. hereby known as 'you'), and they are also bound to dispatch any military forces they posess to anywhere that you specify for any reason. You also get access to any techs that they have and those that they research in the future. You would also be able to direct their tech advancements, though it would be really slow. If they have a starport you would be able to commission ships from them, at no cost to you. Sounds really good right, yeah it does but we can't leave it at that. It wouldn't add a lot of strategy to the game. No, keeping a vassel couldn't be a walk in the park. There would have to be a risk of an uprising on the vassel worlds. Certain civs would have a naturally higher chance to revolt than others. The rate of tribute would also have an effect on the chance of an uprising. A high rate of tribute would drastically increase the chance of an uprising while a low rate would have an opposite effect and slightly lower the chance. Another thing that would affect the chance of an uprising would be how much you work the vassel civ. The longer you work them by commissioning vessels, the higher the chance becomes. While extended periods of time of not working reduces the chance. One other thing that would affect the chance of an uprising would be how often you use their military and the difficulty and result of the uses. If you constantly use their military and it is constantly being destroyed, then the chance of an uprising goes up. On the other hand, if you rarely use them and their attacks succeed, with or without your help, the chance goes down. If an uprising were to happen, first off you lose all control of the vassel civ. You can no longer commission ships, you cannot see on the planet's surface, nor do you recieve any tribute. The only way to quell it would be to send in ground troops to stop the uprising. If you don't quell the revolt within three months, the civ becomes free again.

Well, what does everyone think?
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Reply #1 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Well, personally, no. This gives all the advantages of conquering someone with pretty much no disadvantages like maintenance. Plus, don't forget the AI would have to do it.

Hands up who wants to serve the Drengin?
Reply #2 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Yes of course the AI would be able to take vassels too. It wouldn't be very fair if they couldn't. As for the player becoming a vassel, why not? If you become a vassel of another civ and remain a vassel for more than five years, you lose the game.
Sins of a Solar Empire II
Reply #3 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
That's the point. Sitting there hoping for a insurrection? No thanks. I would instantly surrender to whoever is trying to vassal me's worst enemy, as would (probably) many players. If you have worlds left, fight. If it's your last world, last stand. When they try to vassal you, give everything to their enemy in exchange for a declaration of war.
Reply #4 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
A simpler form of vassalage, like AC- would work.

- they give a portion of their income to you. (maybe 50%)
- they have to agree with you on UP vote
- they have to give you all their techs
- they declare war on anyone you declare war on (or they break vassalage and declare war on you)- this includes offensive wars.
- they cannot declare war themselves
Reply #5 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Those features would cripple a race. I understand things like the "pot" idea for peace treaties, 50% of yearly income forked out by the one that breaks it, but for vassalge you just wouldn't have a chance to ever return. I prefer the symbolism of going out in flames.

Not that I have ever done that. But it warms my heart, that speech that the Terrans give basically saying "We suck, go kill them for us!"
But seriously. It's a nice speech. Nice planets too.
Reply #6 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
If memory serves, that old game SMAC (Sid Meiers Alpha Centauri ) had something like it. Anyways, your vassal would be a gimp if you have to nearly vanquish them to get them to comply...

interesting thought, but I dont think its a good idea.

I do like the thought of having vassals/servants/governors on big maps. I always have the micro- fear that I am not micromanaging efficiently giving cause to me to do some more, when I really shouldn't . Heh probably why I go down map sizes after playnig such a large one.