I'd think jungle ad fizz would be quite a bit weaker than a top lane ad fizz, but I'm not 100%.  Jungle nid is a beast because her ganking power is super high  (provided you can hit a skill shot) even with so so itemization, but her laning ability was gimped a bit.  I'm guessing fiz jungle is just as good as it used to be (read:  not super great), but I think the top lane bruiser component is a bit stronger. 

And don't forget The Queen Of Top Lane who I'm guessing does pretty well in the matchup.

A champ with a such a high mechanical skill requirement isn't going to get the usual FotMonthers who like to take up playing people only when their nerfs have gone live on PBE.  Predicting a lot of LCS Sheep picking him up and dropping him real quick, while some people might put in the effort to learn Bruiser Fizz since he is fun to play and isn't yet another overpowered(ly boring) Bruiser/Tank Jungler that people have started playing Top.  Pretty sure he's only going to really appeal to the true Fizz enthusiasts out there even if he ends up being pretty good.  

Top lane Fizz isn't really that good I think.  I was just having problems as Nasus because he seems to counter the crap out of Nasus early.  Nasus's animations are too slow, so he can troll pole around Q.  It is not fun.

exactly, i 100% foresee Fizz top as more of a counterpick to Gnar.

Not only was the matchup not a problem for old AP-Fizz (the only time i really took him top), he's even easier for AD Fizz. In LCS, he was being used toplane specifically against Gnar as well. Note that in limited history of top-lane in LCS, he was built pretty tanky (TF, Frozen Heart, Hexdrinker) rather than pure damage.

That said, Jungle Fizz might have some other advantages over Top Fizz in SoloQ. Top Fizz will struggle against most meta champs (Rumble, Irelia, Renekton...). Jungle Fizz gets to farm and peace and his clear isn't completely awful. The past two seasons, junglers are often squishy and fit the "fighter" archetype more often than the "bruiser" or "tank" archetypes.

So putting a squishy champ who can farm in peace and have reasonably safe item thresholds is somewhat appealing. Compared to a pretty-squishy toplaner that can ballsnow really hard if things don't go well.

That said, i don't think that Gunblade > TF > Zhonya is an item build you'll be able to afford on Jungle Fizz. So you'll have to figure out some cheaper, gold efficient builds (Devourer + BotRK + Wits End, perhaps).

I think we'll see some good variation, though.  Full support comp, etc.  Lots of potential options anyway.  It will probably devolve to what you said, though...

the ahri nerfs seemed pretty minor btw.  Tones her down a bit, but I think she's probably still on the strong side.

re: fizz - I'm thinking the jungle itemization options will hurt him a bit and without the gold of a solo lane, ouch. Old AP jungle fizz was fun as long as you snowballed, ofc.  AD bruiser fizz as a jungler doesn't strike me as good/worthwhile and not enough dough to get to that level easily... unless you snowball ofc. 

You also have to "Fight" for the gold in a sololane. That's not something that Fizz can do in every matchup while he is farming up some of the most expensive items in the game in order to be fully effective (BotRK or Gunblade, TF, Zhonyas).

Jungle is considerably safer from a "minimum gold" perspective, even if its maximum gold is a lot lower. And, again, he'll be brutalized by a lot of meta picks (that aren't Gnar). Lissandra, Irelia, Rumble, Renekton...

Even if you want to "Farm it out" against tank tops, you're better off playing Irelia, farming up, and then watching the other team cry because they don't have the damage to deal with you (which was exactly what happened in IEM with Maokai top versus Irelia over-and-over).

Jungle Fizz also has some cheaper builds: Devourer + Wits End gives him a lot of on-hit damage + AS, while also getting some MR. Duelist smite has some interesting options if you are looking to 1v1 people (and it does have the -% damage mitigation as well).

My opinion is, if you're already a Fizz Enthusiast, playing him toplane might be fine since you have enough experience you have out of outplay potential. If you're looking to learn a new champ toplane, Irelia would be a much better choice...

My understanding is they are just making his Q into a skillshot.

but adding a stun component - the duration of the stun wasn't listed, but that's something that could make a difference - even from a support zil perspective. 

grats cow!  Not re: you, but I'm actually pretty happy to see some folks dropped way down having to work their way back up.  So far, I've only see this happen with folks that I didn't really find particularly good (eg how the fug are you even in plat?)  Anyway, that comments not directed towards any of you folks. 

Also, many of you missed me meeting my bosnian brother last night - played some excellent support for me.  We'll see... might be inviting him more often.  Certainly seemed like a very high skill cap in that game. 

I am not sure how far I can climb this season. I guess we will see how my my LP gains and losses will be in diamond v once I finish 10 or so games. I hope its not the stupid win 12 lose 30 that I was stuck in last season.

patching issues boys.  Not all impacted.  Basically, the update fails.  Directions from riot are to close the client when it fails that 1st time and relaunch.  Do not close the client after you relaunch.  It will take some time to scan the files and finish patching.  

Factor that in if you are wanting to play at the normal time, etc.

been playing heroes of the storm tonight - saw several new maps (from when I last played anyway).  Had some fun.. kind of mindless fun, but still.  LoL started working again about 10 min ago with normal pings.. doing a team builder then buggering off. 

holy bad grammar and punctuation batman. 

oh - and it sounds like nemesis mode is live.  looking forward to some games tonight