Real talk about Peter:

I have known Peter for almost 10 years now. He is a really big sweet heart when you get to know him and I will be meeting him in a month when I go to Hawaii to say hi to Soccermom/Thundercles (yes peter also bought a ticket thunder haha). Anyways he does have a mental illness or learning disability that he is medicated for. I am not sure what it is because I haven't really asked but he mentions taking his meds on occasion. He is not as normal as us but I think we all new that already.

I don't really know how to teach him or explain to him what he does wrong since in Peterland he always is right. Arguing with Peter is like Arguing with a wall, you will never get any where. The only way you get to Peter is by getting really pissed off, yell at him, leave skype or teamspeak and maybe 2-3 days later he will apologize for being an ass to you as that is most likely what set you off in the first place. That is only time I have ever seen Peter admit to being wrong in 10 years.

Wait are you saying that she had a completed QSS by 7 minutes (before pacov hit 6). Now that is fed!

Remember that QSS also cleanses DoTs so if Peter had ER'd then he literally would basically be a support in terms of damage.

Anyway, Pacov, you probably only would have had, what, a Spirit Stone? Red buff helps but it's not "that" huge damage...

k - so we are having the 1st annual peterdumptruck meet up in Hawaii. 

Cow - dates?  You need to arrange your own travel + hotel.  You will get to meet pete in person and he has agreed to sign w/e book you bring.

Also.. guess how serious I am?  Cause... I kinda am. 

Also in a ranked game last night my team scored the 5 dragon buff a few times. The buff is pretty substancial, I would say more powerful than baron buff even. The true damage is very noticable when fighting. Triple burn brand was pretty amusing.

pizza chef pete.  ah - so many fascinating things. 

Didn't know bout drag buff falling off at the last level.  That's good. 

I'm theory crafting a bit as I have the afternoon off.  Top laners w/ smite is what I'm currently thinking about.  Obv downside being not having TP.  Skip that and think some more... trying out a few things... then I came across this vid from foxdrop w/ ww top lane

Thunder's montage is literally him kicking someone on the enemy team into me and killing me. 

Going to split this post up into multiple parts because it is going to be really long...

Anyway, this is sort of theorycrafting runes/masteries/items, etc for the new Season. Note that i'm not going to really factor in "cheesy" stuff that is most probably going to be nerfed very quickly (eg, Smite top lane, or 5x MP5 Chalice). If you're playing ranked, it's worth it to think about that kind of stuff and figure it out. If you're not... it's sort of a waste of mental space.

And even though runes and masteries were left unchanged, i think the early-game tempo changes really mixed things up:

1. It's really hard for junglers to gank at 3:00 (Nightblue's spreadsheet cites 3:15 as the earliest double-buff w/ 75% hp gank time). Even with a heroic leash, you usually have to base after both your buffs - unless you are Nunu/Warwick... who aren't the best gankers. This means you can delay some of your "survive the jungle" tactics to the 3:45-4:00 mark, a whole 'nother level! It's possible that the meta might change around so that junglers stop taking their "gank" ability at level 3, and instead taking at level 4. Giving you another minute or so before getting ganked.

2. The level 1/2/3 changes make abilities a lot weaker for those levels. For "stat-level" here i mean the amount of HP, mana, base AD, Armor and the 1.25 MR/lvl melee you gain each level. You have ~70% more stat-level level 1, ~45% more stat-level level 2, ~10% more stat-level level 3, ~1% LESS stat-level level 4, and then lagging behind more and more until level 9/10, where you are a full 53.5% of a level behind (you gain 100% of your stat-level points at level 10 so you are still 53.5% behind). You start catching up and break even around level 17, and get slightly more at level 18. Note that ranged champions in particular LOST 2 AD for the entire game.

Even you're ~5% weaker without items at level 9 (the absolute highest point in terms of stat-level difference), you are actually at your relative weakest at level 7, with a full 7% weaker without items! Since that is even earlier in the game, items can't really make-up for the difference. Honorable mention goes to level 6, where you are 5.25% weaker - and quite possibly not have shopped yet so you only have a Dorans. If you hit level 6 and your opponent hasn't, you should pretty much go crazy ham with your ult. Remember your ABILITIES aren't 5.25% weaker - your hp/armor/mr is. The "dip" means that abilities (with large base damages as well as ignite) actually get STRONGER levels 5-16 or so. Abilites that are mostly ratios are more-or-less unaffected because there were no real changes to AD/AP  items. There's also a strange interaction with % HP abilities. They are stronger levels 1-3, but then weaker from 4-17.

The 5% base stat reduction makes those 10-15 minute dragons really difficult, since everyone's base stats are weaker, plus the dragon is doing more (+ AoE) damage. It also means that midgame ability-focused champs really spike (Trinity ADs might be top-tier, and champs who dip in the mid-game like Tristana might have a harder time). i think that these changes also really help Assassins a lot. They generally tend to struggle levels 1-3. The -2 AD reduction helps keep them safer against ranged harrass, they have massively impactful ults, ignite is stronger... Fizz even got a Mana/MP5 buff.

Continuing with the the -2 AD/lvl change, that will somewhat slow down ranged aggression botlane, since that is a ~3% damage reduction at that stage of the game, in addition to the much larger health/armor pools. The level 4-9 "dip" is also one of the reasons why the jungle can be so hard around that range: not only do you have lower stats, it's also way stronger.

3. New Machete makes AS a lot weaker than it has been. It's a DoT over two seconds, so you don't gain much by re-applying it over and over. Traditionally, AS marks have been the best way to increase your clear speeds, at the cost of early-game ganks (AD) or scaling (ArP, MPen).

To a certain extent, Perseverance is slightly better on junglers now, since you'll typically be at lower health values (espiecially early game; it's basically like an extra health pot every shop).

Alright, now for the jungle. My position is sort of odd. On one hand, i have hated playing jungle ever since Season 3. But, i actually really enjoy starting a custom game and plutzing around with weird rune setups. i also really like reading about jungle theorycrafting stuff. So what i might say could be totally incorrect - in practice. But i do think my theory isn't completely off-base.

For the past 4 years, AS marks have always been the best way to increase clear speeds. This is different now, however, since Machete does a DoT instead of a true on-hit effect. AS marks might still be the best clear speed marks, but they might only be ~1-3 seconds faster... and AD/ArmorPen/MPen are just so much better in teamfights.

Theses are the champs that i am testing with, since i can't test literally everyone. But i think they fit into good categories, even if not every single curve is the same.

- Rengar, Kha'zix (scales very well with pure AD + Armor Pen. In the same category as Wukong, Lee Sin, Panth, etc)
- Skarner, Nocturne (scales very well with pure AS, but also scales well with AD. In the same category as Shyvana and Xin)
- Hecarim, Sejuani (scales mostly into teamfights and generally struggles with initial clears. Same category as Amumu, Naut, etc...)

i tried out perseverance but... really you're better off just putting 2 points into the already-mediocre "Recovery" and getting 2 HP5 for 2 points and using the 3rd point elsewhere. Perseverance only works if you're Jungle Mundo because of Second Wind.

If you are either a Hybrid or a primarily-physical damage-type, you probably should use 6 ArP marks. The lowest armor in the jungle is 8 now (it used to be 3), and Armor Pen scales so well into mid-game, you're really doing yourself a dis-service to take anything else.

That leaves you with 3 slots. As i can see it, you pretty much have 3 options:
1- AS
2- AD
3- Armor (each point of armor is worth ~20 health at level 1 and ~40 health at level 3 - remember armor reds are only 10% worse than yellows and i feel like yellow armors are required).

(you could take 3 more penetration marks, but realize they will only help you against the big monsters so you are sacrificing health/speed for better ganks/midgame)

Armor is going to be weaker if you're going to do any dueling, so you probably should only take that if you are a tank (imagine they took 9 Armor Pen - they'll be 1 armor ahead of you, despite you being the one with the defensive runes).  

For everyone i did the following route:
1. Red + Smite
2. Blue
3. Gromp + Smite

This obviously isn't the most optimized route (Gromp + Smite > Blue > Red + Smite is), but it's what i could do without a leash and it was short + difficult enough that i could test out different setups quickly, because it was totally possible for Gromp to kill you. This route should get you to level 3 pretty fast as well. i also chose to take MS quints for everyone, to make it also slightly more difficult. Purely for sustain you could take Armor quints. For some champs like Kha'zix, AD quints might be better (since he doesn't need MS quints much).

Format is:
<Champion>
(<Mastery Page>) / Marks / Seals / Glyphs / Quints - Game Timer for clear - Amount of health remaining (both hp pots gone)

=== Nocturne ===
AD Setup
(21/9 ) / 6 ArP + 3 AD / 9 Arm / 3 CDR/lvl + 6 MR/lvl / 3 MS - 3:25, ~70 hp (have to wait a few seconds before starting Gromp or you die).
(14/16) / 6 ArP + 3 AD / 9 Arm / 3 CDR/lvl + 6 MR/lvl / 3 MS - 3:23, ~70 hp.

AS Setup
(21/9 ) / 6 ArP + 3 AS / 9 Arm / 3 CDR/lvl + 6 MR/lvl / 3 MS - 3:23, ~130 hp. <= winner. AS quints would probably increase his health another 50 or so.
(14/16) / 6 ArP + 3 AS / 9 Arm / 3 CDR/lvl + 6 MR/lvl / 3 MS - 3:28, ~100 hp.

=== Kha'zix ===
AD Setup - Kha'zix dies always dies to Gromp if he doesn't get a leash. But AD quints make him die 10 seconds faster so using AD quints here
(21/9 ) / 6 ArP + 3 AD / 9 Arm / 3 CDR/lvl + 6 MR/lvl / 3 AD, Dies to Gromp at 3:20. So you would either need a good leash or base after blue.

=== Skarner ===
AS Setup
(6/21/3) / 6 ArP + 3 AS / 9 Arm / 3 CDR/lvl + 6 MR/lvl / 3 MS - 3:30, ~230 hp <= winner though armor makes you actually go FASTER. The reason is because you finish Blue just as your abilities are coming off of cooldown, so you can go straight to Gromp without having to wait for QW to come back up. AS would probably be better if you're getting a proper leash though.

Armor Setup
(6/21/3) / 6 ArP + 3 Arm / 9 Arm / 3 CDR/lvl + 6 MR/lvl / 3 MS - 3:20, ~150 hp.

=== Sejuani ===
Armor Setup
(14/16) / 9 Arm / 9 Arm / 3 CDR/lvl + 6 MR/lvl / 3 MS - 3:30, ~140 hp. This one really surprised me. About the same overall performance as a 21/9 Nocturne with offensive marks. Maybe the wall-hop with Q after the first buff really saves a lot of time?

=== Rengar ===
AD Setup
(21/9 ) / 6 ArP + 3 AD / 9 Arm / 3 CDR/lvl + 6 MR/lvl / 3 AD - 3:20. ~50 hp.
(14/16) / 6 ArP + 3 AD / 9 Arm / 3 CDR/lvl + 6 MR/lvl / 3 AD - 3:25. ~50 hp.

=== Hecarim ===
Armor Setup
(6/21/3) / 6 ArP + 3 Arm / 9 Arm / 3 CDR/lvl + 6 MR/lvl / 3 MS - 3:35, ~180 hp. This is probably the best first clear Hec has had in 2 seasons.

=== Summary ===

My route killed a lot of my AD-dps champs... Part of it may have been that they were just "too fast" and i wasn't waiting for cooldowns right before Gromp (and healing ~50 hp over 10 seconds). And the AD-dps champs are going to pull way ahead after they get their first jungle item, or if they get a leash so that their minimal sustain "tops them off" rather than "barely keeps them alive".

Armor reds don't seem too bad on tanks. i saw very little impact on clear times, and they seemed to leave you slightly healthier. If you're a tank who doesn't care about AS (everyone but Cho'gath and Skarner?), Armor Reds might work out great as long as you don't get into any duels.

These numbers could obviously be improved by using combat-stat focused quints rather than MS. For many AD champs, i saw a ~10 second improvement of speeds with AD quints. However, note 1 second of those 10 is going to go away every single time you have to base (compared to MS quints). You could also try replacing CDR/lvl with flat CDR, or perhaps even Armor (Armor blues are 30% worse than Yellows).

If heavy leashes become popular, it would be a good idea to start using ~3 scaling armor + 6 flat yellows. They break even at level 6.

It looks like 21/9 is going to be the best mastery page. Even stuff like OPpression and +5 Armor in the defense tree results in slower clear time AND lower health values compared to 21/9.

i didn't experiment with using Bladed Armor. It might help those with very poor clear. But, Bladed Armor has been really "meh" since they changed it from the 6 true-damage flat.

You can't do Gromp > Blue > Red without a leash (you need to the 200 health heal on Red Smite). i said that in my own post.

The purpose of my route was NOT to find the optimal route. It was specifically to find a very DIFFICULT route that i could test very quickly (< 4 minutes).

I played a jungle rammus game last night and was pretty happy with how he handles the new jungle. I did a red -> wolves -> blue start smiting both blue and red. I had to base after blue I had about 1/4 health left. After that initial clear it was super easy clears for the rest of the game. Gromp + defencive curl + sun fire is pretty awesome.

holy novel hedgie.  I read it.

I was thinking about life steal quints as well on junglers.  Haven't gotten around to that yet.

Nunu/ww really don't require any changes to runes imo (though there's certainly something that's optimal).  I only mention those 2 as I've played w/ them recently and have no prob sustaining (as you'd likely expect). 

I'm now really starting to consider shaco more.  Leash free start on either side of the map and able to level 3/4 gank super quickly at full health.  Also, decent dragon control.  Same old potential late game problems for him.  I think the new jungle and season changes are making him look at ton better - possibly enough that it makes me think the late game trade off could be worth it. The shaco jungle setup roughly clears 2 camps at similar times btw (start 2 boxes outside of one (just outside of range where they would proc immediately when camp spawns) and another 2-3 where a camp spawns.  Do that 2-3 camp, then mvoe to your existing 2 boxes and start the next camp.  Super fast, zero leash clear - AND you are place boxes at less common spots so lower odds of enemy team busting you up. 

I'm also thinking that with the value of dragon skyrocketing due to the rewards, the value of weaker gankng junglers like nunu go way up - and even chogath is easily back in the running.

I actually think the highest value on junglers now is currently around dragon control (eg drag control > ganks).  That could go w/e way though ofc.

heh... you think I'm overrating and I think you are underrating. Think about the timing and pacing.  Right now, there are more than a few cheese strats to take an early dragon.  But even if you go for a 5-10 min drag and get the 1st one, your team has that 1st stack earlier and has more dmg.  I'm not as wowed by some of the other upgrades, but I think that 1st buff is very valuable to all lanes.  But, same deal with the enemies 1st drag... also very valuable and def something you want to deny or steal.  I just think the priority goes through the roof on control/deny - certainly a little less after the 1st, but still worth.