to determine if several players could play simultaneously the game have to calculate if they are out of range (so teleportation is impossible) and see if there is no concurrency on one galactic achievement (or any other unique resource). To avoid problems increased of range should not impact the actual turn but only next turns.

out of range means 2 players can't go in the same place : they can't fight, they con't colonize the same planet, tack the same ressource...

That means the turn order is calculated for each turn

Simultaneous turns could be an important advance for multiplayer mode

With that you could increased the number of players

For example in a 12 players multiplayer game :

- everybody could play simultaneously in the early phase of the game so the start could be very fast whatever the number of player

- then they could be 3 to 4 players playing simultaneously (as there where 3 to 4 players)

- and at the end 2 players playing simultaneously (as there where 6 but some should be exterminated so less than 6 actually...)

Simultaneous turns could enhance the number of player by at least 2 (may be 3 or 4) without increased the duration. It should increased the speed in the early phase whatever the configuration and increased the speed in later phases when there is a lot of players (over 6) (it may be possible to have 16 players...)

The galaxy could be designed to have large empty areas acting like natural frontiers to limit the average number of neighbors per player so increasing the number of players that could play simultaneously...

Speaking of that I feel it very unfair and frustrating that if you reach a galactic achievement in the same turn the resolution of this conflict depend on the turn order...

4. Simultaneous turns. These greatly speed things up, but also create a first clicker problem. (You and I are both one move away from colonizing something, and whoever clicks first gets it.)

> no if it's possible we can't play simultaneously

in my mind simultaneous turn respect totally the turn by turn mode : several players playing simultaneously could not interact in any way (on the map or on unique building...) the game calculate who can play simultaneously and organize each turn order to avoid problems

A time limit yes but not a fixed time limit 1 minute is too long at the beginning and too short at the end

A smaller map with 4 players it's good but it's not epic if we wanna play in gigantic map with a lot of players there are problems to solve

And how do you determine what "interacting" means? That's going to be confusing as hell for the people playing it, because sometimes they can act and sometimes they can't.

I've played once to civilization multiplayer (I don't rember wich one) but it was before simultaneous turns (it was too long between turns and other players exit too often (9/10 you finish against the AI) so after a few try I've stop and never try again...)

So I didn't know that someone already done this in a video game, I personally descover that in the broad game eclipse...

But when I imagine this mechanism in video game I never think that everybody will play in the same time everytime (that is a semi turn by turn semi real time)

but just, like I said, that the system will calculate wich players could play simultaneously without any concurrency problem (Thread safe) to not break the turn by turn aspect at all the only change is that the turn order is different each turn.

So it's a simultaneous turn safe mechanism

if 2 players could go in the same place : they can't play simultaneously

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It will be invisible for players they won't see the difference (just an apparently random turn order)

May be some adaptations will be needed to prevent players to be within range of everybody (building starbases everywhere for example)

(I don't know how to quote...)

Epic game with let say 9 players without timer let say 5 minutes/player in average You have to wait 8x5 = 40 minutes before playing it's simply impossible even if you can plan orders between your turns

If MP is epic : big map, lot of players I don't think timer or simultaneous turns will be an option

One more time timer should'nt be fixed but function of the size empire (number of planets, number of fleet). The only 4X MP I've try was fixed (30s or 1min or 2min) it is horrible when you have lot of troops and cities

In one hand if you have more than 10 minutes of between turns (may be less???) the MP will be very unpleasant

In the other hand if everybody play simultaneously it break the turn by turn aspect, you have to click faster 

From my experience this aspect are very important for MP so we (they) should decide wisely how it will work

You could say : "offer all possibilities players will chose..."

But if a game offer lot's of MP possibilities that will divide the community : some will play simultaneously some won't, some will pay fast game other epic game...

So they will be less players available for match making and that is very important for MP

There some important points for MP :

• The time between turn
• The frequency of players that exit the game before the end
• The time needed to start a new game

I think it will be interesting to list what solutions where tested in other video or broad games (or even new solutions you imagine) and see pros et cons to decide wisely...

I'm not the slightest worried about that. More possibilities here will only enrich the MP community and make it grow. We need to look at Civ 4 and 5 in these matters, and the choices you have there in the setups. Most of Firaxis' solutions will also be ideal for GalCiv3.

Except for the way they broke diplomacy with the AI in Civ 5's MP. That was terrible. Don't copy that.

The key thing for me is to not screw up the game to try and make it work in MP. I want a long game, with all the stuff that's in single player. I just want player 2 to be another human.

What I don't want is some fast paced deathmatch thing. There's tons of games for that already.

Why not have a percent slider in the game setup: auto-turn after X% of players click turn? Say there are 5 players and you set it at 25%. Two people click turn and the game advances without disturbing the remaining three. Or at 75%, and four people would have to click turn.

The main idea is players decide how fast the game plays, instead of imposing artificial restrictions to speed up the game.

Sorry if I've posted this idea elsewhere.

I personally want a PvP or massively PvP and not a coop PvE...

Yep. Multiplayer for TBS has come a long way. You will be suprised.

Thank you

EVERYBODY playing simultaneously...

If there is concurrency between players it's no longer a turn base strategy (I imagine TBS means that)

In my version of simultaneous turns the turn is respected : when it's your turn you can do whatever you want nobody will stop you. If other players plays simultaneously it's because the system find that they can't prevent themselves to act

real time is make for that : everybody playing at the same time.

Turn base is make for playing one by one (the game might "parallelize" players if there is no (not enough) concurrency problem between them)

So if you want that everybody could play at the same time why choosing a turn base mechanism? why adapt a mechanism to do what an other mechanism already do (better)?

GC3 could be a Sin of a solar empire with a lot more management, diplomacy, (non military) ways to win... (to caricature)

after re-reading the op i think i just wrote down some of what he did differently