If you’re not running Windows 7 64-bit yet, please do so soon

I know what Cell is. I respect it, but it hasn't gotten much traction outside of the PS3. The PS3 had a firmware update to disable using other OSes, too, so not much for supercomputing anymore.

Quoting Thoumsin,

reply 73

But why move to win7 now when win8 is already planned for 2011-2012 !!! A game who have his dev stage who begin today for win7 will be obsolete when released because of win8 !!! OS life cycle become shorter that the game development time !!! Really wish a good LTS ( long time suport ) windows version...

Because win7 works, lots of people are still on XP, and we know nothing about win8 except it'll have some sort of cloud usage. And win8 will not make win7 obsolete, especially for devs who target what people have.

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Quoting kryo,

reply 69

Well, we are back to the egg-kip problem already post before... something can impacts the consumer market only if consumer have interest in it...

Consumers don't need to have interest in it. Microsoft and the OEMs just need to start pushing x64 as the baseline on any machine that supports it and keep x86 to only preinstalls on machines that can't. It's something long overdue, honestly. Virtually all desktop systems sold for several years now have been x64 capable.

I think MS's biggest mistake with vista was having a 32bit version... and then they followed it by having a 32bit version of win 7...

there was absolutely no reason to do that. Due to heavily modified architecture drivers had to be rewritten anyways... it just slowed adoption, lowed compatibility, and caused problems. MS was stupid to make 32bit vista, and it has held back entire industries. There was also absolutely no reason for it, since 64bit vista and win7 can run any 32bit program except drivers and programs that use a driver for low level operations (ex: some overclocking tools, optical disk emulators, and a select few others), all of which eventually were ported to 64bit.

Quoting Thoumsin,

reply 67

Quoting taltamir, reply 65
Also, I am amazed that you were going to the university at age 16. Because thats how old you were when I was born according to our profiles (which include age).

Well, i have wrote "baby" and not "newborn"... unless you think that at 2 yo, somebody is not more a baby... in my country, you are a baby until 3 yo, when you begin go to school...

fair enough, I guess the dates do add up. But as I was saying, age and years of experience doesn't make you automatically correct.

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My current OS is Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit. The only issue I have had with the OS is playing older games. I bought Command & Conquer The first Decade the other day. The older games on the DVD do not run even with all the patches. That's OK I guess though. Those games were written for Windows 95 and 98. The games on the DVD I wanted to play work great.

Now if I could just figure out how to get them to run without getting stretched out in on the widescreen monitor...

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Quoting kona0197,

reply 78

My current OS is Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit. The only issue I have had with the OS is playing older games. I bought Command & Conquer The first Decade the other day. The older games on the DVD do not run even with all the patches. That's OK I guess though. Those games were written for Windows 95 and 98. The games on the DVD I wanted to play work great.

Now if I could just figure out how to get them to run without getting stretched out in on the widescreen monitor...

http://www.cnc-comm.com/community/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=16 is a good thing to have for TFD...can't play online with it I assume since it cracks the games (and yes, it is unofficially endorsed by EA) but it's nice to have if you don't do that.

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My current OS is Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit.

Fibber...I bet you're runnin' Ubuntu on a Mac.

As for getting your games to run in widescreen, look here.

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I've been waiting for 32-bit operating systems to die for a while now. I'm not saying I won't be using some 32-bit systems for some things, but I want the old stuff gone asap and will replace it all as time and money permits.

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Savyg - I am running that patch. Even with that patch the old games will not run on Windows 7. That's OK.

CarGuy1 - I haven't used Linux as my main OS in years. Thanks for the link. I'll look into it.

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Quoting taltamir,

reply 77

I think MS's biggest mistake with vista was having a 32bit version... and then they followed it by having a 32bit version of win 7...

there was absolutely no reason to do that. Due to heavily modified architecture drivers had to be rewritten anyways... it just slowed adoption, lowed compatibility, and caused problems. MS was stupid to make 32bit vista, and it has held back entire industries. There was also absolutely no reason for it, since 64bit vista and win7 can run any 32bit program except drivers and programs that use a driver for low level operations (ex: some overclocking tools, optical disk emulators, and a select few others), all of which eventually were ported to 64bit.

Well, i will give one reason... flash is now used a lot by internet site... try to open a flash site, using the 64 bits explorer on a 64 bits OS... result will be the following ( http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/000/6b3af6c9.html ) :

"... This is likely because your computer is running a 64-bit Web browser on a 64-bit operating system and you are trying to install Flash Player. Flash Player does not run in most 64-bit browsers. If you attempt to download the Flash Player in a 64-bit browser that does not support Flash Player, you will see a message from Adobe and a link back to this page. To install Flash Player, use a 32-bit Web browser on your 64-bit operating system. All major browsers are available in 32-bit versions and the Internet Explorer 32-bit browser is the default browser on Windows 64-bit systems..."

MS is certainly not stupid... and it is some lazy dev from the industry who held back OS dev and the majority of the industries... In fact, in case of the Flash problem with 64 bits internet browser / OS, it is MS who have propose a alternative called Silverlight ( Moonlight on Linux )... slowly, more and more internet site use the Silverlight system but a lot of them continue to use flash...

This post show only one example why the move to full 64 bits is not yet possible or wanted...

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Quoting kona0197,

reply 78

My current OS is Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit. The only issue I have had with the OS is playing older games.

Well, there is maybe a solution... Simply upgrade your Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit to the professional/Ultimate/Enterprise edition...

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/features/windows-xp-mode

Fibber...I bet you're runnin' Ubuntu on a Mac

Well, if you have a MAC pro, Windows 7 Professional/Ultimate/Enterprise is a good choice too, for when you add a second processor :

Commercial servers, workstations, and other high-end PCs may have more than one physical processor. Windows 7 Professional, Enterprise, and Ultimate allow for two physical processors, providing the best performance on these computers. Windows 7 Starter, Home Basic, and Home Premium will recognize only one physical processor.

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Well, i will give one reason... flash is now used a lot by internet site... try to open a flash site, using the 64 bits explorer on a 64 bits OS... result will be the following

So use the 32bit explorer... which part of "only drivers don't work" didn't you get? Flash is not a driver, nothing stops you from running 32bit flash on 64bit windows via a 32bit browser...

Adobe flash is a POS and it is the single reason why all browsers are still 32bit. Adobe flash is grossly outdated AND unstable (crashing) AND insecure (viruses) and many people disable it outright.

All that being said... nothing stops you from running 32bit software that is not driver based on 64bit OS... Firefox, internet explorer, and google chrome, and opera, and all other browsers are 32bit, even on 64bit windows. That is how they work with flash, flash is the ONLY reason they are still 32bit.

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Thanks for the suggestion. I know about the XP mode. However I am happy running the version of 7 I have. I have little interest in the older games I was trying to run and the games I do have interest in run quite well.

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There is a 64 bit Flash for Windows on Adobe Labs now, but since IE9s 64 bit version is noticably worse performing nobody cares yet.

It certainly doesn't matter to me if I use a 32 bit or 64 bit browser, even if I would prefer to use a 64 bit one.

If IE9x64s final version is as fast as the 32 bit one, I'd use it. Firefox 4s final version is supposed to have a 64 bit client as well. No idea about Chromes plans in that area.

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Quoting kona0197,

reply 86

Thanks for the suggestion. I know about the XP mode. However I am happy running the version of 7 I have. I have little interest in the older games I was trying to run and the games I do have interest in run quite well.

XP mode does not properly support video card's drivers and 3d, it is meant entirely for business software, not games.

As a result you can't use it to properly run games.

Quoting Savyg,

reply 87

There is a 64 bit Flash for Windows on Adobe Labs now, but since IE9s 64 bit version is noticably worse performing nobody cares yet.

It certainly doesn't matter to me if I use a 32 bit or 64 bit browser, even if I would prefer to use a 64 bit one.

If IE9x64s final version is as fast as the 32 bit one, I'd use it. Firefox 4s final version is supposed to have a 64 bit client as well. No idea about Chromes plans in that area.

Yea, finally... 8 years late. And its not even out yet. And its still as big a POS, its just POS that is available for 64bit browsers. Regardless, this has absolutely nothing with WINDOWS 32bit since windows 64bit is perfectly capable of running 32bit browsers and 32bit flash.

And you could get 64bit firefox for years here: http://www.mozilla-x86-64.com/

and MS IE8 had 64bit version included with windowsXP 64bit and every 64bit MS os since... so since 2003 (which was always MUCH faster than 32bit)

The closest thing to a legitimate argument for 32bit vista to exist was the existence of the intel 32bit only atom... but:

1. there has always been a 64bit atom as well, and it is much better. But it has been limited to desktops (it wouldn't have if MS made vista 64bit only)

2. the atom was not even on the horizon when 32bit windows vista was released.

3. the atom is too slow to run vista properly and doesn't allow enough ram (2GB max)

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Quoting taltamir,

reply 88

And you could get 64bit firefox for years here: http://www.mozilla-x86-64.com/

A crappy offshoot you have to build yourself or use outdated builds iirc...yeah no thanks. I dig official builds.

And most people do not share your unhappiness with Flash unless they're Linux or Mac users.

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Quoting Savyg,

reply 89

Quoting taltamir, reply 88
And you could get 64bit firefox for years here: http://www.mozilla-x86-64.com/

A crappy offshoot you have to build yourself or use outdated builds iirc...yeah no thanks. I dig official builds.

And most people do not share your unhappiness with Flash unless they're Linux or Mac users.

1. you don't have to build it yourself, its fully build and even has an installer.

2. it isn't a crappy offshot, it uses the same source code + a few additions.

3. It isn't outdated, it has always carried the latest version, beta versions, and alpha versions. The front page shows a list of BLOG updates and the blog hasn't been updated in forever... but if you actually go to the download page you will see current version, as well as beta and alpha versions of future releases.

And most people do not share your unhappiness with Flash unless they're Linux or Mac users.

...

1. Mac can go die in a ditch... apple sells the most overpriced and crappiest OS with the worst DRM...

Linux is too much effort and gives you no advantages. FreeBSD and solaris on the other hand give you nice benefits for all that extra work so I use them in SPECIFIC Applications... by my main day to day use is done on Windows7 x64... maybe you missed the part where I said I switched from windows XP to XPx64 to Vistax64 to win7x64

2. Adobe flash actually competes with microsoft silver light. You fail, try again.

3. Adobe flash is such a POS that everyone else got together and added a bunch of functions in HTML5 to make it obsolete... AND every time websites asked what is the most desireable feature? (youtube, hulu, etc) they got the same answer... get rid of flash and replace it with HTML5 video. so they did http://www.youtube.com/html5

4. My disappointment with flash began in 2003 when I switched to XPx64 and found out that there is no flash 64bit for IE x64... it has grown since... It flared up into scathing hate over the years as flash became the defacto source of malware infection (as well as ads and other junk) because of closing of security holes elsewhere while flash remained a POS. I suggest you look into http://noscript.net/ for a flash+javascript blocker (javascript isn't as bad as flash, still has problems)... oh, AND they never saw fit to port it to 64bit.

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Quoting taltamir,

reply 90

1. Mac can go die in a ditch... apple sells the most overpriced and crappiest OS with the worst DRM...

2. Adobe flash actually competes with microsoft silver light. You fail, try again.

3. Adobe flash is such a POS that everyone else got together and added a bunch of functions in HTML5 to make it obsolete... AND every time websites asked what is the most desireable feature? (youtube, hulu, etc) they got the same answer... get rid of flash and replace it with HTML5 video. so they did http://www.youtube.com/html5

4. My disappointment with flash began in 2003 when I switched to XPx64 and found out that there is no flash 64bit for IE x64... it has grown since... It flared up into scathing hate over the years as flash became the defacto source of malware infection (as well as ads and other junk) because of closing of security holes elsewhere while flash remained a POS. I suggest you look into http://noscript.net/ for a flash+javascript blocker (javascript isn't as bad as flash, still has problems)... oh, AND they never saw fit to port it to 64bit.

1 - agreed on the Mac parts, I do not care about open source stuff

2 - err, what's your point? when was Silverlight even in this discussion?

3 - HTML5 should've happened ages ago. It didn't, and Flash has been doing quite a bit for multimedia on the web in the meantime. Also, HTML5 doesn't do DRM, so it won't replace Flash or Silverlight for all video.

4 - Malware infection? News to me. And I'd think anyone who keeps it up to date and is smart about what sites they visit. I don't want a Flash or javascript blocker. And there is a 64 bit version of Flash for Windows on Adobe Labs now, as I mentioned earlier.

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Quoting Savyg,

reply 91

2 - err, what's your point? when was Silverlight even in this discussion?

In one of my post... slowly, Silverlight/Moonlight begin to replace flash on internet site... by example, the internet news video from TV station of my country have move from flash to silverlight around one year ago...

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Quoting taltamir,

reply 77

I think MS's biggest mistake with vista was having a 32bit version... and then they followed it by having a 32bit version of win 7...

That may have been one of the biggest faults, but the UAC all or none (1/0) was the biggest.

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Quoting taltamir,

reply 90

Linux is too much effort and gives you no advantages. FreeBSD and solaris on the other hand give you nice benefits for all that extra work so I use them in SPECIFIC Applications...

Well, i can say that i like very much Solaris... very simple install and everything work directly on my computer...

About Linux, when compared to Windows, there is certainly some advantage...

The first one, related to these topic, you have not these 2gb limit !!!

Second, if you have a good bios, several of the option for speed up your system have a flag "don't work with windows"... a good example, very interesting for game, is the bios option called "Discrete MTRR Allocation"... these option allow faster graphic on system with more that 4gb ram... work with any Unix based system ( Linux, Solaris, FreeBSB, MAC OS, etc... ) but don't work with Windows...

In fact, my second prefered game, sins of solar empire, run better on Linux that on Windows... it is true today but it was not true when the game was launched ( no multiplayer on Linux )... Linux have evolve and it have become possible to enjoy fully the game...

My main complain with Linux is that slowly, it become like windows product... i mean software with bug who need a lot of patch ( kb ) for have a 100% stable system... Debian being the exception but being several version back... Solaris is for me the top OS in stability... MAC OS is nothing more that a bad rip off of FreeBSD with some cute GUI...

These topic show a lot of different point of view... and none of these point of view are wrong... nothing is black or white, all is a shade of gray... i think that gamers are ready to move for the new generation but the majority of industry are not ready... by industry, i don't mean computer/software industry but usual business... imagine a business with 100 computer connected to a central server with 32 processor... this is a total of 132 processor... it mean 132 Win7 licence... add to this new software... not the cheap one at 50$ like game but professional software at 100 or 1000 $$$ ... upgrade now for a lot of business mean a lot of money to be spend... not really something good in the actual economical world crisis... at the people level, a lot of them have loose their job, some have difficulty for pay house/car/etc... upgrade to Windows 7 and spend money is not really a priority for them...

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Stop producing for 32bit. Until 32bit applications stop being mainstream, you'll always have people like my father, that still lament the death of Windows 3.1 and program his PLCs in DOS.

If you want it done, you'll have to force people.

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Wait, what? Windows 3.1...that's the one that barely worked and didn't work with most of the stuff you wanted it to right?

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Feel free to mail me a copy.. otherwise deal with the fact that i refuse to pay an arm and a leg for a new OS

Especially when my current OS works fine.

Quoting Luckmann,

reply 95

Stop producing for 32bit. Until 32bit applications stop being mainstream, you'll always have people like my father, that still lament the death of Windows 3.1 and program his PLCs in DOS.

If you want it done, you'll have to force people.

Or you'll just kill your own sales. Many people are not gonna spend 100-$200(or more in my case if I want the functionality of my Current OS in a new one) to upgrade OS just to run a game.. I wouldn't. Not to mention all those 32-bit users of Win 7 who would be all like "wtf I have the newest version and your game doesn't support it"

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The first one, related to these topic, you have not these 2gb limit !!!

mmm, let me check... nope, no 2GB limit on my windows7 64bit.

You compare 2002 windows (winXP) to current linux builds from 2010... it is as silly as comparing a linux build from 2002 (when winXP was released) to current MS OS in the year 2010.

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Quoting Savyg,

reply 91

1 - agreed on the Mac parts, I do not care about open source stuff

2 - err, what's your point? when was Silverlight even in this discussion?

3 - HTML5 should've happened ages ago. It didn't, and Flash has been doing quite a bit for multimedia on the web in the meantime. Also, HTML5 doesn't do DRM, so it won't replace Flash or Silverlight for all video.

4 - Malware infection? News to me. And I'd think anyone who keeps it up to date and is smart about what sites they visit. I don't want a Flash or javascript blocker. And there is a 64 bit version of Flash for Windows on Adobe Labs now, as I mentioned earlier.

What is my point? My point is that you made the following retarded statement about me:

And most people do not share your unhappiness with Flash unless they're Linux or Mac users.

Mind apologizing for that baseless slander? or at least admitting that you were just blowing smoke.

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Quoting Fistalis,

reply 97

Or you'll just kill your own sales. Many people are not gonna spend 100-$200(or more in my case if I want the functionality of my Current OS in a new one) to upgrade OS just to run a game.. I wouldn't. Not to mention all those 32-bit users of Win 7 who would be all like "wtf I have the newest version and your game doesn't support it"

You misunderstand. I didn't mean Stardock specifically. I meant as an industry.

This goes double for Microsoft; Stop producing 32bit OS. Stop giving people the choice to choose the lesser options.

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If you&rsquo;re not running Windows 7 64-bit yet, please do so soon

If you’re not running Windows 7 64-bit yet, please do so soon

If you’re not running Windows 7 64-bit yet, please do so soon