No No No No No No No

How many times do we have to say it before you guys start to listen? There is no such thing as a small extra delay. Mines are FINE. Stop fidgeting with things that are not broken.

Well, there is one change I would like to see to mines, and it involves interaction with the totem of visibility item. When you play as regulus you have a nice clear aura around your mines, but when you reveal them with a totem, they do not have the aura, making them still very hard to see in a crowded lane.

I think the aura should show to enemy players when revealed with a totem of visibility. I'm usually paying attention to where he throws his mines but sometimes I buy totems so my below average teamates will stop walking into them, but it does not help much because they are still very small and kinda hard to see.

haha except that his auto-attack is beyond ridiculous late game, and he has 3 snares.

the mines are so far away from broken. of all the things to complain about, this one? really? its one of the best balanced and most useful skills in the game. for christ's sake just leave it. some things are allowed to be good. 

the unbalanced stuff (like the old pre-nerf Bite skill) is the stuff where the numbers are clearly out of whack with the rest of the game. but the mines aren't out of whack. they're right in there in the accepted normal range for mana and damage efficiency. and they're easily interrupted and can often be avoided if you're paying attention. they're totally fine. 

Mines are the most powerful *potential* burst damage in the game, period.  Within just over one second of game time, one or several demi's could potentially eat 9 mines (6 from mines previously set, + one cast after they're popped).  At level 7, that is a potential 3600 damage/target in about 1.5 seconds to anything in range of the aoe.  There is no other single ability with that kind of potential damage/target in that short of a timeframe.  The potential for that much damage in such a short period of time is what takes them a little over the top in my opinion.  Yes yes they can be popped with minions, but only if you know where the minefield has been set up and only if you're a general.

But what can be done to tone them down slighlty without completly breaking them?  The simplest tweak would be to increase the cast time a bit, up to 1.3 or 1.5 seconds for example.  That puts them on a similar cast time to hammer slam, which is the closest comparison in terms of potential burst damage that can be dodged or reliably inturrupted.  Another easy tweak would be to reduce the number of mines that can be out from 6 to 3, thus reducing the crazy potential burst aoe damage.

And on a somewhat unrelated note, does anyone else think the duration of MotB should be slightly reduced?  It seems like that lasts for about 30 seconds before fading (without popping it that is).

BobWI, in a creep lane mines are next to useless because they get set off by grunts, so to set a 3600HP trap it would need to be somewhere like the center of Cataract, which is fairly restrictive, and may net you nothing anyway if the enemy has totems or sweeping minions.

Pay attention to where each enemy DG is and you'll not be surprised when you get hit by mines. Remember that if Reg sets his giant trap of 6 mines somewhere he can't immediately transfer that to the other lane, the mines are effectively lost if he has to fall back to defend or push further up with his team.

More generally with respect to Reg...

In a 2v2 or 3v3 situation he is horribly vulnerable to ganking if the mines fail to hit all opponents. What happens if his mines get interrupted and he gets stunned and focused by melee characters like UB? Reg relies on being able to run away from group engagements and by increasing the cast time on mines you're essentially preventing him from being able to take part in a highly skilled fight without very high risk. Once you catch up to a Reg as a melee character, the kill is largely yours. Compare this to ice TB, who can AoE stun to get precious seconds to flee, or UB, who can grasp to get a couple of seconds of relief, and you can see that Regulus is probably the most vulnerable character, and mines are one of his few useful inputs to group engagements.

ie. He has no defensive skills so he needs better offensive ones than everyone else.

Really?!?  That explains why it seemed like forever then!  It's pretty minor, but I wouldn't mind seeing a duration attached then, maybe 20-30 seconds or so.  I just remember sitting in my lane amazed at how long that friggin thing lasted after I made the Reg run away.  But enough with my tangent!

Is there anything in this game that isn't TB that isn't overpowered?

No, you have no idea what your talking about.  See, wasn't that such a constructive post I just made?

Now that I've got that childish response out of my system I can actually respond to a reasonable discussion.

One isn't limited to the center of Cataract for a mine trap (although that is a great place for one):  think about placing one where you can stand and capture the gold mine flag without getting hit by towers, or elsewhere in those side lanes, behind the first tower where someone might try and chase.  Anywhere that someone could be kited to is a potential location for a mine trap.  So you're alone and trying to capture the gold mine on your opponents side lane while plinking away at a tower from the safety of lvl 1 scope?  Thow some just behind you in your retreat lane.  Yes, it is only *potential* for 9 mines to hit that quickly and in practice is probably pretty rare to hit someone in rapid succession like that, but the existance of that potential needs to be addressed.  Is it intended that one skill from one character can potentially do that much damage that quickly?

Also, in a 2v2 or 3v3 or any group fight situation he should be in the back row, well away from the initial blows.  He shouldn't be the first one targeted because he has the huge range advantage, which means a lot of additional travel time for the demi's that want to attack him, not to mention the fact that he's not exactly the biggest threat in a group engagement (IMHO Sedna is the biggest threat due to the combination of healing wind boosted minion heals, heal, counter healing, silence, and magnicifent presence).  Also, to say that he can't escape with his combination of snares and with any help from the group is a bit pessimistic.  He might not be as slippery as Erebus, but it's a heck of a lot easier to escape from a gank with him than a Rook.  I'd say that's probably working as intended.

Regardless, I don't think they're massivly OP in any way; rather, they are slightly too good currently.

Except I'm right. I challenge you and anyone else who thinks mines are OP to a game. You pick your team, you pick what Demigods we play.

Whenever I'm in that situation I C/P my favorite version of my arguments and put it in all my subsequent "you're wrong" posts. Easy and effective, and if you're like me then you like rereading your own arguments to bask in their ownage. Plus, it might help people who may have missed the last thread you bothered to give reasons in. 

So no you're not willing to prove it? Gotcha.

Mines are fine:

* You can see regulus winding up to cast them. Move out of the way

* You can use totems of revelation to see hidden mines. Don't walk over them

* Don't get into huge skirmishes where you are committed and can't run away if a regulus is nearby

At this point I'm just getting angry and not contributing anything further. You've made up your mind, you're unwilling to try the suggestions many of us have pointed out, you won't back up what you say with a game. hf