The only thing this will acomplish is making, pirating go under ground, example most  people I know do not use there gamming computers on internet in frist place.

computers are getting cheaper and cheaper, you could have mutil computers one for pirated games that stays off internet and one that dose downloading nad one for leigment games.

for most pirates this would probly be cheaper, then buying the games.

also then theres the whole deal with fire walls, if you do not want your DRM going cross itnerent and connecting to micrsfot or some company you would just block the program from connecting to the internet or block company from being able to connect to your interal network.

I mean this is the whole reaosn for network secureity to block unarhutzed attempts to connect to your computer no matter where it is from.

 

main problem with DRM is fact that it just dose not work, it will always be behind the times no matter what or have faults.

othere probelm with DRM is fact that some countrys vview DRM as illeage in its self.

there are alot of countrys that have diffrent copyright laws where laws we have here in USA do not apply.

which is really way it should be no one country or mutl countrys should have right to froce othere countyrs or people to do things on them.

I am not saying I am condoing anything here.

but then theres also people who download a game find out it sucks and wont buy.

I will say one game where I wish I would done that with dungeon lords, that game was unfinished, quest where not completed, no detail, game was only 45% done.

I bought game I soon gave it away if I would have downloaded it cracked it and tryed it and found out it was pice of crape I would never bought it.

there are alot of people who pirate game to try it full verison find out they dont like it remove it or delet it and then dont buy it.

this type of pirating if you call it that only hurts people who put out crappy games.

the othere issue with most people who pirate is cost, lets face it lord of the rings was a mutil billion dollar production took years, the movie I got frist lord of the rings movie for 29$ in bestbuy all buy its self when it frist came out brand new on day it came out.

a game that in gernal takes less money then a movie like that should not run 3 times as much.

like im not supporting any piracy or anything these are just things that pirates think of and what will happen with DRM if it gose internet checking.

Wrong, check the law book - it's not defined as theft , of course its all technical but you can't call it theft by the law.

Totally agree.

Re DRM - we are on the same page, I think. My only feeling is that the "smoke and mirrors" on pirating should not use the clear nonsense behind current DRM to justify pirating - pirating is pirating, whichever way anyone spins it.

If the current DRM is wrong, and I believe it is badly implemented, then we fix that - we dont use that as a so called "excuse" to pirate.




Excellent - isnt that what the Free Market and competition is all about? Thats why in the long run the Free Market works best without Regulation. It is easy to distort it in the short term - and easy to make up a short term rationale for interference - but the long term consequencies of interference in a Free Market dynamic are always far far worse than short term gratification.

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Zy

Thats a fair call, you make a good point, I had not thought of that angle, and I agree, it would be silly to prosecute.

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Zy

Precisely



And so they should

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Zy

It depends, for now I have 3 reasons to use a crack :
1. When no demo available - too many crap released to I have to "test" first .
2. I hate inserting CD/DVDs all the time.
3. The damn game is not available in my country (this one really sux )

So if they "fix" all 3 I would agree with you but until then cracks often used by valid buyers of the games and we do need them.

P.S.: Finally found a way to "trick" the system and perches "Mass Effect" using ClickAndBuy , unlike PayPal and credit card this method does not check your country.





If I am not mistaken jurors act within instructions provided by judge - they can't ignore law they can just deside if person guilty without reasonable doubt or not.

Any Enduser license for software includes a paragraf which forbids manipulating the software/files. Using a crack or a pirated version(which got cracked) is aquivelnt to this. So you are violating the enduser license.

Who reads EULA's? I certainly don't, they would probably stop me from buying. If you want to know what is wrong with the software and gaming industry, read the EULA.

The software and gaming industry are using DRM and EULA to allow them to produce substandard quality and jack up price's.

EULA is a contract between you and publisher.
You can get sued for violating it if publisher finds you, find what you did and sues but using crack it's not a crime, it's just violation of contract.

I don't think length and complexity would be much of a defence since most contracts are usually long and complex. You could probably get out of it since most contracts have to be signed, and usually have your name somewhere on there too. I can't say I've seen an EULA with my name attached to it, or something designating the company's signature on the thing. That said, best ask a professional if you do end up in trouble. Oh, and I accept no responsiblity if took my advice on the above or what I am going to say below, as I am not a lawyer.

As for why "piracy" is so sucessful, well I think there are a few reasons.
1. Product Quality: Basically at this current point in time, usually the pirate copy ends up being a superior product. They tend to get rid copy protection, which means no spyware, no busted disc drives (it's coming to light that most of the busted disc drives of the last few years are because of copy protection/DRM not liking burners). Hell most games end up with a performance boost by using a cracked version (Titan Quest got a 15% boost using a cracked version over the retail version). As Bioshock and Mass Effect proved, most people don't like limited activations for software either, another problem using a pirate copy avoids. Best of all, it's free. Pirates also seem to have a better support network than most companies it seems too. If a crack doesn't work, usually someone else will make a better one that does.
2. Nobody Likes a Faceless Corporation: It's true, nobody does. After all why do some pieces of paper seem to get more rights than people do? Yes a corporation's existance is based solely on paper, and/or 1's and 0's on a hard drive somewhere. It hard to feel sorry for entities that try to take away customer rights with no remorse (DRM), and try to impose a contract on people after the point of sale (EULA). Would anyone really be upset if Microsoft disappeared tomorrow? Or if EA disappeared tomorrow? Most would say "good riddance" I'd bet.
3. General Upbringing and Lifestyle: I am sure most people here can remember how their parents are always saying share your stuff with your brother/sister and how a good friend shares their stuff, plays 2 player on their video games, etc. File sharing over the internet seems to be abhorant to anti-pirates, yet I'll bet that they have borrowed a book from a library and read through it without giving the author and publisher any cash from it, not to mention all those movies they taped off the tv with their VCR back in the 1980's and 1990's, movies that they didn't pay for.

As for Frogboy's comments about the various groups coming together to make a solution to piracy? I'd personally say it's farfetched to say it'll stop it, since software has to be written to take advantage of it, and software can and will be cracked. Hardware wise, well, theres nothing a mod chip can't fix. Just look at consoles to see how easy it is to play burned software.

I admit it, I pirated Galciv 2 with the Dark Avatar expansion.

I loved the game so much I bought it.

So... I assume none of the moral anti-piracy people here have ever downloaded an MP3 onto their computer?



Thanks for pointing that thread out. I think it's fascinating too!