Oh so you think you know what I'm thinking what you're thinking what I'm thinking?  Think again oh pretentious one!

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I see no reason to make any changes whatsoever. Why does the method matter. The whole premise is to achieve a win in year zero. How is not important.

When all this started the way Wyndstar first layed it all out is far different to what Piznit and myself then perfected. I then made more changes.

KP and Mag entered the game and yet even more changes were made. Then we moved to Gigantics and same thing happened.

I bet that not one of us is doing the same thing we did to get 80K on a gigantic then what we do now to get 115K.

Motti has just develeoped a better, different method, same as we all have been for over a year.

All we need is Classic (tiny) and Giga's. Any further changes are in the face of all other tweaks, develeopments and imporvements that have come previously.

Not really.  It started as a win in the year zero.  But you can personally distinguish whatever you'd like.  It's a free board, somewhat. 

No, but I was going to.

If there was a competition centered around tech victories in year zero, would you place them in the same category as the classical tiny/gigantic we have now?  Maybe you would; I'm not so sure I would.  The multiplier is different-there's simply no way to make up for that much loss.

I see this as much (although obviously not exactly) the same kind of thing.

If you're going to argue against another category for what truly is a different type of game, then why even have the tiny category anymore-especially if people are going to use the new gigantic strategy on it to crush the former scores, since the tiny scores were up so as not to scare off newcomers to the idea?

You don't have to take it out on me.

You need some practice on that not being an asshole thing, mate.

I'm arguing the point because that's how I am.  I like things specific, I like things black and white, probably because my life has always been shades of gray.

And I feel that credit should be given where it is due-but no more than that.

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In any case, it was merely a suggestion, and since everyone and their brother has not only disagreed with me but practically disowned me for even making it, added to the fact that I don't and at this point probably won't play ZYWs, I suppose it shouldn't matter to me one way or the other what those of you who play them call them.

Have fun.

Actually, SS, the gigantic map I played is a military victory, same as the other gigantic ZYWs.  I don't think a tech victory can be done and fail to see the reference.  Please understand that to me, you're just talking in circles.  It's pretty hard for me to grasp what you're saying, other than you want to separate my game from the others. 

Changing the rules in midstream would be in very bad form.  The rules are simple.  Win a game in year 0.  There are two map sizes to play.  But a ZWY can be won on any size map.  Perhaps those can be added.

Bottom line is that my games match the gigantic map ZYWs in all ways that were agreed upon.  Making up some arbitrary rule now based on whatever you're trying to convey makes no sense.

I did PI ZYWs in the beginning, before I had DA.  My scores were lower then, but that's the only difference.  This is a PI military win.  Everyone has access to do this.  Always have.

I don't recall you saying anything about my PI ZYWs when this all started.  Why start now?  That's my question and my confusion.

@SS - I think I'm starting to see what you're saying.  I still disagree, but I think I'm starting to understand.

The PI ZYWs always take longer than Spore ZYWs.  Spore was brought into this later and is the newer style of playing, although it has become more common over time.  This is only because of the high scores that a Spore ZYW can bring.

The PI ZYWs were never meant to be won on April 8.  They started this whole thing though, before this thread was started.  It was PI in the beginning, but Spore quickly took over.  I did some PI wins early.  So did a few others.  We were eclipsed by the Spore players, especially with ARC involved.

The style I played early and the style I played these last few games are from the same cloth.  New strategies have been shared and some were just stumbled upon.  Essentially, I'm going back to the classic game, but am able to use ideas learned and shared to beat Spore type games.

Either way can bring high scores.  Spore can be spammed until you reach the #1 spot in the MV.  3 of us have done that.

PI can't match that speed, so it's at a disadvantage.  If played carefully, it can beat Spore on a game by game basis though.

To reiterate, this is the classic game.  Spore had its day in the sun and now the old ways have a chance once again.

So I was wrong.  That's all I needed to know.

SS, this ain't the MVL.

the MVL was about competing under very specific circumstances, generally speaking; your arugments reminded me of it.

SS. You have not eleborated on your "And I feel that credit should be given where it is due-but no more than that." comment?

I am more than curious as to whom you believe is not getting credit and for what?

I still fail to see the point to the distinction. What method is used matters not. The game is a ZYW gigantic, so it is measured and recorded as such.

Hmmm just fishing for the strat to get them high scores me thinks.......

Ok, fair enough.

I don't see any distinction between any means to achieve a ZYW. Just to be able to do it was reward enough. Those means could be Spore, PI, tech or anything in between, i really don't care.

If its a win in year zero on a giga/tiny map, it's counted and recorded in my book. If there is no flag then i really don't care what method was sued, from a compliance point of view, it qualifies. 

For score i always care.

If folks want to do other map sizes then they should be allocated their own catagory, and a HS list created.

Other than that, what we have is plenty.

so that's what the end of the mayan calendar means.

Verily, it shall be a sign of the End of Days!

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