Abuse is abuse. Words like moron and idiot tend to point back at yourself as much as the person they're directed at. The direct confrontation makes both of you look bad. Who's "right" begins to hardly matter at all. It soon becomes "he said, she said", which of these do you chose to be?

(Again hopefully taken as "friendly advice"    )

Well, I think semantics are important. Else how do you know what was *really* meant?
Anything else? Game related stuff too?



Seems there'll be other fixes. What was being argued was if this should be one of them.
Or the only one, which doesn't make sense.



GC2 has the same problems GC1 had. Converting another game's engine to GC seems like a huge task in terms of manpower and budget. Going by how GC2 was done, and what has been said here (even considering update vs new game), it doesn't seem too realistic to expect that. Possible, sure. It's just that when you consider everything that will have to be done in GC3 (and it's not a given yet that it will exist), you wonder.
Anyways...

Sigh. Nice catch. Personally, I vote no to spending $$ on fixing this. There are plenty of other improvements that will be noticed more. Changing starbase upgrading micro management, fixing defense/combat, adjusting trade, improved AI, etc. etc. will all matter for all the times that you are not saving and loading.

I'm biased, I play games in a few hours, this bug doesn't effect me. However, I think there are other players like me that this either doesn't effect or who aren't going to lose a game by the AI getting an extra turn here or there.

If you are at a point that you are losing because the AI gets an extra turn or two, lower the difficulty. If you are losing on cakewalk because the AI gets an extra turn or two, you may want to invest time in finding another game to play.

Good luck out there.

You see, Kryo made 2 posts, this one for me:

At any rate, ToS, you really need to settle down if you want your complaints to be heard (here and on other threads). "You'll get more flies with honey than vinegar" and all that. Taking such an adversarial (and often nitpicky) stance is not at all condusive to getting people on your side of the argument.

And I really don't see any warning there. Advice maybe, not warning. His next post wasn't for me, but for Evil and TLHeart. So again, you may be wrong   



Well, it was a pretty run of the mill discussion until he dropped in. But he is still pissed at me for running him down pretty badly on some other thread, and it seems he hasn't learnt a thing... he is seeking revenge, that's all. He stands no chance though, and he knows it. He's just being rude for the sake of it, since he has nothing to point at my posts really. Notice how he didn't reply to *anyone* else, and plenty of people have the same opinion as me. Notice anything strange in that?   



Yes, it is. I may not be totally understood at times, maybe because - and I refuse to use this as an excuse - english is not my native language. Sometimes I seem to run into a dead end when trying to explain something, in terms of language I mean, so the ideas don't seem to be fully laid out as I wish they'd be. But mostly I think I can make my point across.



I'm trying to see other perspectives. For instance, *my opinion*, drop the gfx upgrades he mentioned in passing as part of a list of things for 1.7, and fix more issues. Trade hours for hours, instead of "all this OR that".



Talk is cheap. And I don't mean to be mean or sarcastic with this. If you equate the possibility of him not being totally serious with that, there's something there. Maybe the difference is I don't have a problem saying it out loud (IF I think there's something to say that is)   



Maybe true, even though this has gone beyond my position on the OT. So I should just drop the issue and let all the continuous replies go unanswered, like I'm actually giving in and pleading guilty? I'm sure you know how this goes, you're an experienced guy.



Of course I am. I only treat retards like retards. Criticism is always welcome, as long as it's something with some sense. "You suck, shut up" and "You're wrong, but I don't have the time to prove it" are stupid and a waste of everyone's time.


A suggestion for Frogboy, if I may.
Instead of starting threads like "What would you like..." why not something like "Suggest changes for balancing races/alignments/abilities/etc", choose 2 or 3 veteran players, let them use the thread to come to a consensus on stuff that can be easily fixed, and then implement those changes in the game? Involves the community in the process, speeds up fixes, saves engineering hours, the whole deal. Get someone they can trust to edit the xmls accordingly and send them back to them, with a changes log. It's not really that hard, and I'm sure their rep would benefit greatly.

Ok, I'm done here.

Well, i've spent a fortune on my computer and this game crashes constantly and yes I've bitched about it before. btw, i do program and i have built computers so i'll turn that wagging finger back around. Something is amiss in the coding to cause the video card to heat so dramatically even when all the high-end graphics options are turned off. I'm running my game at the lowest possible settings and still get crashes. I never had a problem with DL running at the highest possible settings. So, no;it's no just us and our crappy machines.

The turn zero bug would be a major rewrite I'm sure; so how about a "cheat" for us to balance the equation.

Brad/Kyro/Carl

I was wondering now that we are discussing possible changes in the next update, couldn't trade be more beneficial? It's helpfull for your diplomatic relations, but not so much the trouble worth for economic reasons. At least that is what I read from the experts.

2nd q: Will there be a next update for DL?

Not everyone has the time to asses the dynamics of the thread to the point of your comment so it might help to quote who your talking about. (Not that i support being rude)

Actually, this "bug" is a nice feature. It is a nice way to keep some people from reloading (constantly) now that it is out in the open and also can be used as an exploit for some people who want more of a challenge from the AI I myself really dont care if it gets fixed before GC3. There are more important features and bugs to fix in the game than this.

go pheonixstorm... i agree, the bug actualy makes the enemy a challenge, i personaly like coz then when i take over the planet i get all those improvements FREE  . i know it's evil thinking, but then again i am an evil person.

I really don't understand how folks can say this bug really hurts them or it makes the game unplayable or they have to change their style of play because of it. I mean the game is no different than it was before. The only thing that's different is your preception of the game.

In other words you can play the game exactly as you always have with no significant difference as long as you don't worry yourself into a tizzy over something that has existed throughout every game that anyone has ever played.

You may as well drop it, this is not going to go anywhere. Only SD knows how much work would be needed to fix this bug, and if they say, "well we could, but you'd have to give up other cool new features", then the conversation is over because SD has declared a preference, and they've also given enough incentive to ensure other players won't agree enough to change their mind by comparing a single bug fix to "new features".

Evil, Frist wife, three kids, 5 grandkids, divorced now for 16 years....

Second wife, married, honeymoon, died in a car wreck 28 days after we were married. I do not consider myself a widower, as we did not have that much time together. I consider myself divorced.

But if you want to knit pick go ahead...for it is your right to be vocal about all your problems, while many of us have not had the problems you have. And if your researched the forums, most of the Isolated problems with the game comes down to the persons computer, and not the game.

Interesting you would even put any energy into the issue, and still call me names.

You have your attitude leave it at that.

Been reading this thread with much interest. Here is a suggestion.

Since the concern is that AI gets an 'advantage' with every restart, would it be possible to balance this by giving the player a similar advantage? In other words the player will start with one basic factory in place. With every retart the player will have completed one turn.

From a programing perspective this may be easier to implement, especially the first time start up. Adding a turn to player at each restart may be more tricky.