That depends on whether it just happens at game startup or on every reload!

Ok - this is a problem.
I hope something will be done about it soon. I always consider this one of the very very few non-cheating games out there. I don't even know if there is another???

Some people will cry no matter how perfect a game is, as it does not do something the way they want it to

So the AI gets a little extra production with EVERY reload of the game, basically a turn 0, before I play and move. If you as a person are not smart enough to counter this, then you should not be playing the game.

I play games that run on for weeks, with reloads from saves, the AI gets some production, the influence areas takes a turn to expand back to the areas they were at the save, all part of playing the game.

Get over it, this is not a bug, just the computer being faster at its turn than you are.

snicker snicker....

don't waste your time rewriting the entire game to change this turn zero. leave it alone and put your effort into the AI.

Brad, I think almost nobody really cares about the AI turn 0, but more folks care about the AI getting a production turn every time you reload in the middle of the game, since this disproportionately affects people who can only play a few turns at a time. You addressed the former issue but not the latter, was this an unintentional oversight? I suspect the majority of players, if informed, would actually prefer the reload bugfix over some of the features you're thinking of putting in 1.7, while less than 10% of players would care about the turn 0.

But as a practical matter, most of them don't know about the bug, and all it's really doing is silently increasing the difficulty by a small fraction of a level, while they are more likely to know about new features. So I can see either decision making sense.


If it was actually a good deterrent to flagrant abuse of save/reload in metaverse games, I'd be in support of keeping the bug around. But as I remarked in my last post, it doesn't actually get the job done, and may actually have helped increase my scores a bit. I'll readily concede that I'm not anywhere near the player Wyndstar is yet; I'm still exploring the basic parameters of the game, which is why I rely heavily on save/reload. Yet my metaverse scores are higher, indeed the highest of anyone on the map sizes I play.



Have you tried producing incomplete colony ship hulls early in the game, and upgrading them the turn they're built? E.g. if you have 60 military production, design a cargo hull that costs 59 (put two sensors in it) so you can finish it in one turn, then upgrade it to a full-fledged colony ship for only a few hundred bc. This gave my colony rush a big boost.

If the developers think its going to be too much of a difficulty fixing the bug - then so be it - carry on with the upgrades in version 1.7.

Just DON'T claim the game is playing with a level playing field anymore.

I can accept either option.But, that special factor on non-cheating many players brag about on different forums concerning GalCiv, will just have to be scrapped.

I'm baffled!
How can the playing field be level if there are so many unbalances in the game?!
If it's a trivial fix, why is there a "choice"? Why is the time it takes to fix this being compared to adding new features, updating the AI, new graphics AND etc?!
Why is someone saying it's not a bug when it clearly is, and claiming the *entire* game has to be rewritten (and the dev says it's trivial to fix)?!

Recurrent, that's all I can think of...

I haven't checked in on this thread in a bit and I see that a lot has progressed since then. I can see the reason for concern, but I also see validity in the "been there forever" argument. In the end I don't really think it matters all that much. The game is the game and the bonuses that the AI gets or doesn't get at any particular level is somewhat arbitrary. The bottom line is that you can beat the game at the level you're currently playing. I suppose that you could fix this and then play at a slightly higher level (if a higher level exists) but I don't really see this as a dramatic change.

I do think this is something that should get addressed in some future version of the game but there are far more pressing issues that I'd prefer to see addressed before this one. Everyone has their own set of pet peeves. I'm sure if I've had the CTD issues that Evil mentions then these would be my utmost concern. In my case the problem I find most onerous is the failure of autopilot to work reliably 100% of the time. Also I think it’s more effective to be concerned about things that have just recently changed and differentially favor the AI over the human player, for example the limitation of the colony module to 250 colonists.

The developers never said it would be a trivial task to fix the turn 0 feature. This has been part of the program from the beginning, and any programmer can tell you, this could take an entire rewrite of a major section of the game to change. It is a trivial matter to me...anyone who only plays less than 10 turns at a time, is basically cheating, unleveling the playing feild against the ai.

I would rather see the AI improved, the defense bug/feature fixed, and more mega events that tottally destabalize the game, and makes one think, change tactics and scramble to win.

I play on an OLD machine, with an OLD GFX5500 graphics card. Plays fine for me, I have had no crashes to desktop. I have 1.5 meg NEW pc2100 memory. As an old IT tech, many crashes are caused by hardware, and NOT the software. Especially if the crash is happening in less than 10% of the machines running the software. One faulty memory cell accessed can cause a crash.

So Evil, since it is you that has so many crash problems, and you are very vocal about them, maybe it is time to look at your machine, and stop blaming the programmers.

Please fix this in GalcivIII and get back to more important things!

Are you a moron? Did you obviously not get his meaning? He meant it would FIX a trivial issue. That is obvious if you read te subsequent comments on how much time it would cost to fix this. You can say he could have been more careful, but to argue against this strawman makes you look like even more of a fool.

Uhhhh, where have you been dude? I have updated, upgraded and downright raped my PC to 'make sure' it wasn't on my end. Memtest came up negative, i.e. my OLD RAM was fine, but I upgraded with brand spanking new OCZ RAM, and ran all the tests again after installing to make sure I didn't buy faulty memory... again, tests passed with flying colors. My hard drive is mint and the tests show it... my mobo has no issues after two weeks of diagnostics scans on EVERYTHING within my computer. I upgraded my graphics from onboard integrated to a 7600GT so I should be more than fine there. I upped my power supply to 700watts so there should be no issues with power consumption. My drivers are all up to date, even the mundane ones as I was leaving nothing to chance. Now let me ask you, what have I left out? All my other games run great, especially after upgrading so much hardware. I have turned unneeded services off while playing, turned game settings down graphically, which I shouldn't have to with my card... I have eliminated virus protection, spyware and whatever else the devs have recommended, to no avail. I had a 'brief' reprieve from these issues, but again, it was brief. Is my system sucky and outdated? Probably, even though it's only two years old AT MOST. I refuse, at this point, to believe it is my rig, period.
You've royally pissed me off with that comment considering I have given every benefit of the doubt here regarding this game/my hardware. I've literally jumped through hoops for this game so... besides all of that, others in here experience the same problems but I guess we all bought shit computers with crap hardware installed right? You missed the few posts were people were clearly saying that the game runs great on a lower end system than a higher end system and they wanted to know why, but no answers. So it isn't just me but if you wish to single me out for being vocal about this then go ahead. My opinion of you is dirt my friend, merely because you have shown the audacity to question me over something I have said and more so because you seem like you wish to talk down to me. Don't ever talk down to me unless I am laying on your wife.

Nonsense, I am glad that you did. This is how we get to see the truly idiotic people amongst the rank and file in here.