LMAO

Well its not that im afraid. But im kinda getting sick about all those wars.
But i guess the more war we see. The sooner there wont be any more ppl to kill.
And tell the president of yours. To not send in ppl. Just nuke it..

I just want a peaceful world like paradise where we all can run around naked and singing coom ba ya...


Well erm... peaceful would be nice. But we will properly never see it happen

we lack the social instability for such

wouldn't be without warrent.

because they are a bunch of passive fence-sitting snipers who get an erotic kick out of watching us kick the asses of the bad guys that they are too weak to fight themselves.
did I mention that they're European?
yeah, I guess I did   
(I hate European politics, they do everything indirectly without conflict... nothing gets done that way)

I'm such an ass. but to clarify
I prefer cowboy politics to the passivity of the central-West

quite obviously I am, so deducive logic proves my point.

bleeding heart liberal wants to save the world?

have you seen how pathetically dependant our "up and coming" are? the school JUST ACROSS TOWN from my house ASKED!!! ASKED!!! ASKED to disobey the law. and guess what? the parents and administrators endorsed it!

"oh look, our children are doing democracy the right way! ASKING before they break the law, aw how cute"
every time a new disease is identified and treated, the GDP goes up
every time you find comfort in fresh bedsheats, the GDP goes up
every time a cancer patient gets early treatment, the GDP goes up
every time your parents bring home money to pay for your food, the GDP goes up

you blind, bleeding heart "save the world" liberal. thats all I can say, really.

obviously I'm missing some very very subtle thing here. Oil spills would occur anyway, forests get cut down anyhow (and we replant them, not as good as the original but, meh) and that cancer patient? how the hell do you plan to stop it.

because, you know, invading small ME countries seems to be a very effective tactic.

But, I doubt the missles will start flying, seeing how isreal has the best missle defense network know to man. Iran knows better. Besides, there's still the principle of Mutually Assured Destruction, which should make either country think better of attacking.

That and the fact that whoever starts will soon have a "peacekeeping" force on their doorstep.

Iran has a mad man as leader, so someone has to stop him from having nuclear power, so well i think is ok to ee.uu to kick their ass, and well since they are gonna make the dirty work, they can keep oil, and the rest.

UN are pussy's, they don't have power and when heat get up they leave war zones. As for Europe nations well they situation is more difficult, since in Europe there is no oil. They depend a lot on ME countries, so attacking openly a nation like Iran they would upset other nations friendly to Iran, most of this nations swim in oil, so they would see they oil cut off.

And well truly i could not care less ,while they don't use nuclear weapons or biological and hurt the rest of the world, they could kill between then.

stardock's not stupid. You me are essentially noone, but you can't go and make political statements when you're Devs.



True, but not a very good solution to a war between two countries. And we all agree that it could have been more subtly. ie. not declaring war on afghnistan, but helping them get rid of al'qaida


Hmmm. got a point there...



That we know of. Besides, who said you had to use nuclear weapons? there's three letters in ABC/NBC and it need not be total destruction.

look at iraq, when the worst part was over. The UN send in its military.

I like the idea with the UN where smaller countrys like denmark, and other smaller once, that cant defend themself against evil nations. But if the UN cant do what they are ment to do, then i cant see whats the point.

You can complain (rightly so) about the EU being disorganised but the UN is just 100 times worse.

The permanent members of its Security Council sell the UN's main enemies the damn weapons in the first place!

Passing referendums and going through diplomatic channels just will NOT work on dictators (it really just bought Saddam over a decade of time between the Gulf Wars to build up his military again).

The UN should learn from the League of Nations (its equally spineless predecessor before and during WW1) dictators pray on such organisations that think everything can be solved diplomatically, it would be nice, but there are people in the world to whom reason is laughable.

Now I think that the Second War in Iraq should never have happened, simply because Saddam should have been deposed in the 1990 conflict, when we had the chance, instead we gave him a decade more to torture his citizens and gas innocent people, there are some people for whom a hanging is too good.

And yes I agree, the US is the only country with the stones to do things about threats(even if the way its handled is open to some improvement (civilians in the crossfire)).

Yes, that dont have loaded guns, and even if they did they wouldnt be able to use them.



Seems Sherlock himself has grace our forums, you know they werent really there right? Guess you Watson after all.



They did have power though, in the 50s and 60s they organized several large military strikes coordinating dozens of nations(ie Korean War). However, these 'powers of intervention' have been suspended ever since the Soviet Union collapsed.



Probably dont want to get angry and then misuse their moderator powers.



You disappoint me Multi.

To quote Randy Newmen, "No one likes us, and I dont know why... So lets drop the big, there would be no one left to blame us". The US does try its best, and that I think is the thing. Everone doesnt like to have to look up and stare at this giant nation having its way with the world. We are just a bit to arrogant in telling others what to do. Its always our way, no theirs. If we cooperate with anyone, they have to do it our way. That is one of the reasons I think most other powerful nations want it to be hindered.

In the beggining the UN did have powers, vast powers. Now they dont for the pure reason that there isnt a nuclear weapons crisis going on.

*evil look*
how am i that my oh greaty leader?
And who is Randy Newmen?

In the war on iraq, the UN as i remember said no to help out. But denmark, Great Britain, and others i dont remember. Said they would help the US. But ofcourse that was after the war was started.
But thoughs countrys did go against the wishes of the UN.

Some say, that we should have just "kidnap" (or what ever you wanna call it) Saddam.
But then there would have been alot more crasy ppl running around with bombs on there chests.
So i totaly support what the US have done. And i really hope they will kick a** if it comes to that with the Iran.

I dont like what a war does, but at times theres no other option. Some ppl have to be taken care of. For the greater good of our race.

Im even thinking about joining the military. Not because of shoot to kill. But what a soldier stands for. He is there to protect and serve his fellow ppl. Not just within his own country, but every country that needs help from what we see as "evil leaders"

Well evil leaders, might not be as evil as we think. They just want to tell every country, to stay out of there way. And that they can with nuclear weapons.
The problem as i see it, is the security, of keeping those weapons REALLY safe from the real "evil ppl" and that i see as a concern.

Here is why a global organization such as the UN cannot have any real power:

If they did, then nobody would join.

Think about it. If you were the leader of a country, would you join an organization that had the power to deploy your military and tell you what to do and not to do? No. Or maybe you would but if they told you not to do something that you really wanted to then you would just drop out.

Also, what if it were the United States or Russia or some other nuclear power that were misbehaving? Who is going to stand up to them? I sure as hell wouldn't. If the rest of the world teamed up on them they could bring them down... but it would be VERY costly.



And Schem, we don't have a missile defense system that could protect us from an all out attack. Sure we have some interceptor missles here and there... but that is not nearly sufficient to stop everything. Stop kidding yourself.