Name some go ahead, please do

For private colloges yes, for public colleges no.

And guess which one there are more of?

Socialism is everywhere, capatalism no longer exists

Um, no. See not that many people earn scholorships in the first place, some have to seek out student loans. Sure you may say, well then they are getting money from the bank, and the bank has nothing to do with the government. Well it does. The government sets interest and loan rates, and they purposely keep student loan rates very low.

And there is a lot more money going in from the government then from private funds. Why? Because people are selfish, they dont give a rats behind about who goes to the college after them. Sure there are the do-gooders and the welconectors, and the powerhungry. But, in the end its the government that contributes out of the sheer hope for a better tomorrow.

Yes, they are smaller, because one we are spending money on a war(duh) and two we are as socialistic. Paying for everything would ruin laize feir(sp?).

I'm back

for a good view of how effective school systems are, look here:
http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/1/60/34002216.pdf

and, for those wanting a simple table, about what people THINK of their schools check here:
http://pisaweb.acer.edu.au/oecd_2003/oecd_pisa_data_s2.ph

According to that, US scores below average on nearly everything, even though you have "the top 5 schools" your 95th percentile sucks.

An above average number of US students fall into category 1-4 (from 0-6) which translates roughly into: Not a lot of smart people, but not as many idiots as one would think when watching the news.

infact, taking a quick glance over the tables, Netherlands, Denmark, france and germany have higher averages on Math, reading and problem solving.



I wouldn't call a military budget of 532.8 Billion out of 2800 billion pocket change.
That's a whopping 19% and makes up the largest part of your national budget. (i know not all of it is going to the war)

Also, here in the Netherlands, The government pays for (depending on your income) almost all of your education, not out of altruism, not out of hope for tomorrow, but for the simple fact that people with a higher education make more money and thus pay more taxes. simple really.


ahh yes, which is why you have such a great healthcare system, and a marvelous social services.

Nothing wrong with a bit of nationalism but give credit where it is due. It might be true that US education has a higher "Knowledge per dollar" rating then education over here, but you can't really measure it like that. My total education might cost the government a shipload of money, but I'll pay it all back in taxes. (rather not, but hey, someone's got to maintain the roads and make sure people don't get huge debts in hospitals, or can't afford to retire.)

Both "math" and "maths" are correct. I think it's chernobyl messing with you again.

ps. wikipedia agrees with mongoose.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laissez-faire

malfunctional link

I KNOW you didnt read that thing.

WHEN was that anyway???
what was I even refering to?

you're European   
completely uncalled for. but so true...

to quote CSI: Only the truly powerful have the luxury to relinquish their power.

well when I get that link up I'll point out the innumerable flaws.
lets start with the fact of very different testing systems (ours are more rigorous)

taxing 80% also makes you pay more taxes!
the problem with that setup is that you are getting a very gov-funded edu system (ID anyone?) ((I meant intelligent design, not IDs)). from that you get corruption, bad education etc.
and besides, capitalism has proven to be a bit better for taxation purposes, so why not take that road?

no, its why I have 5 TVs, 4 computers (a new one on the way!) and a house bigger than some city buildings.
of course, I'm middle class.

its also quite obviously better.
I mean come on. Europe has a nice system (kudos to where its deserved) but we still outcompete them. (I'm ignoring such things as cold fusion thank you)

I'm the last person to say I'm objective. but I know when I'm going beyond firm ground, and I'm perfectly fine where I am

its not that Europes system is bad, its just not as good.

love it. absolutely love how you put it

yup.

US healthcare is shitty.
but when do you need it? 5 times out of your life? guess what.
I prefer to pay less for it and have a shitty system that I use rather than pay constantly (and a lot) for something I dont use.
I prefer to have my collosal house (you should see my Aunt's...)

yeah.

Whilst I take my time to read it, seems like everyone else has presented actually links not Wiki related. Now I am not saying any name **cough** Schem ** cough**, but this is the way to go.

I know this is late but...



Lordkosc, you have fallen from our noble bachelor ranks?



As a member of Wikipedia (also listed there as Mighty Mongoose, as well as just about everywhere else except xBox Live (some git took it before me)) I am inclined to agree, I've always found Wikis much more accessible than PDF books.

hey, I used "tent" not umbrella.

I'm the Lord and Leader of the Legion of Sentient objects!
I need to be sentient!
(another name change!)