I posted this problem n another post but my ships was a lot overpowered than yours.I was playing apocalypse campaign mission and projected a ship to compete against dreadlords ship.It was 46 HP, 16 beam attack and 12 movement.Well i built a fleet of 4 these ships and was able to wipe out from the galaxy the dreadlords only with this fleet it was like shooting on the red cross.I was able to do it because my ships had 612 HP at the end of the game.So experience gave me nearly 15 times the initial HP.I add that it's very easy for a good player to have overpowered ships due to experience.So it could be really exploitable for a metaverse game.Experience should be capped

I agree...needs to get toned down. Although I don't do it to exploit, when fighting I will often send in fleets of combat only ships into areas where the enemy has ships, clear them out, then post small fleets next to the alient planets to take care of the single ships they produce, then send in my transports without cover for an invasion. Doing this means I will often kill off 5-6 newly produced ships, not including the ones I needed to bump off to clear the area before my transports can come in. It's cheap experience.

Personally I'd like to see a more boarder improvement of ships instead of just Hitpoints and at a decreased rate.

Like for example.

An initial cruiser of B4 S4 HP16 M2 going to B5 S5 HP17 M3 after say 5 battles, this symbolises the experience gain a bit more fairer, no massive increase in one area but a gradually climb in power. Any ship that can survive 5 separate battles REALLY deserves a bonus due to their combat experience, simply adding huge amounts of HPs is a sure fire way to create an uber fleet in no time. I saw 4 Destroyers of mine go from 36 HPs to 96 after a few battles with the dreadlords.... I was able to go one on one with a DREADLORD Dreadnaught...

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I also won Apocalypse earlier than I otherwise would have this way. One fleet cleaned them out.

I also won Apocalypse earlier than I otherwise would have this way. One fleet cleaned them out.

I just think the experience gained should be dependant on the experience of the oponent and the type of ship. A very skilled medium frigate should get very little experience from destroying an unpexerienced defender.

Crazyhawk: I get crazy HPs on my ships and I don't farm. Mainly because the AI sends lots of fighters and heavy fighters at me. Still, getting well over 50 hp on a ship that starts with 10 hp is insane and pretty unbalanced. You say don't exploit the game, I say I can't help it, what do you want me to do, destroy my victorious fleets?

Marioflag: Revolutionary? MoO2 had leaders you could put on a planet or in a fleet.

It needs to be harder to gain exp (especially in a fleet, a 18 logistics fleet should not gain exp from killing one dumb fighter) and exp should be capped so it doesn't get out of control.

I've small hull fleets with excess of 600hp during the course of a normal galaxy game. Some sort of limit on the maximum HPs that can be attained via experience needs to be planked down.

Well, I see two very different solutions to the problem.

1) scale, cap, or otherwise hinder the massive accumulation of experience

-- OR --

2) teach the AI to do the same to us

The latter *may* be easier to code, and just so long as it's not a situation of a human player taking advantage of an AI weakness, I'm fine with incredibly powerful ships. Just imagine two opposing fleets of such ships going up against eachother. The strategic significance becomes huge, as does the decision on whether to commit such vessels to such risky battles.

It's unrealistic for ships to become more sturdy (more hp) in real life, yes. The game implement the hp bonus as a reflection of level. It it meant to represent how the crews are able to better maneuver against incoming fire, better at aiming, etc. It boils down to the ship being to out-fight their enemies, so it's not really an issue.

I think the system might be slightly broken since you would gain hp enough to compensate your loss for the previous battle. Say you have 10/10 fighter and you lost 3 hp and won. Your ship would become something like 10/11 or something which allows you to immediately go after another enemy ship and get more exp & level. If the ship's maximum hp increases but the actual hp doesn't increase, then the player will have to send it back to planet for repair before they can utilize the ship in combat once again without losing it.

I think that the experience is just gained too fast. If you have a fleet of five ships and then attack a freighter you should not gain +2 HP/Ship. Or atleast slow down the XP gain after the first levels. Getting rookies better should not be difficult, but elites should have to see some battle before they become ridiculously strong.

I don't think the initial rate of improvement is too fast, but it should DEFINITELY depend on how much experience the ship already has.

I don't understand why they didn't code it that way in the first place...the game already awards experience based on the relative power of the ships doing battle...surely hit points and experience should be part of the calculation of ship strength anyway? Maybe they are, but just aren't weighted correctly.