I think that it's just a different style of play from what you're used to. This isn't Master of Orion and it isn't Empire at War. It's Galactic Civilisations and this is how it plays. If you want to tone down ship range, one thing you could do is play on a huge map with a sparse number of stars. That would certainly slow down colonisation. . .

5.) Play some other games like MoO etc. yourself, In MoO you didn't saw a giant map be colonized within less then 50 rounds. It took some time till you meet a different race and till you owned a huge area of the map. Go and play starwars empire at war, and look how they handled building fleets and inspace fights. Starbases should build spaceships not planets. On planets you build groundforces etc. or banks.

The main problem is that GC2 is not MOO or Starwars or any other game, GC2 is GC2, this is what I like about this game, it has its own way of going, sorry but I don't think that by trying to make GC2 as those other games you will improve the game.

Starbases are insane. You cannot build armadas of constructors just for one starbase. Its really frustrating 99% of the time you build constructors and waste your time with clicking on a starbase to upgrade it etc. Its that kind of insane that I begin to not build them anymore, but the computer does, even within your own territory lol. Thats normaly like an attack and a reason for war.

I have not tried it yet but can you add two contructor modules and then upgrade two parts per contructor ship? If so that would cut down on the armadas I end up having to build also. Especially late game when if I dont upgrade them they are useless.

If that option is availible perhaps it would be easy enough to add in a new tech for advanced contructor tech?

It would be kind of nice to be able to build "ueber" constructors capable of making multiple upgrades, but it might break the game balance.

i do kinda agree, building fleets of constructors gets tedious. But i would suggest something more along the lines of upgrades being Money Based, I.E. u'd click on a starbase, select your new module, and pay a hefty sum for it, for those with good economys, and the traditional constructor build + slight money for those who don't have the cash.

take your flame elsewhere Xan

GC2 isn't MOO and isn't trying to be. The games have some things in common but fortunately they're different enough to be distinct and have their own character.

The main problem is that GC2 is not MOO or Starwars or any other game, GC2 is GC2, this is what I like about this game, it has its own way of going, sorry but I don't think that by trying to make GC2 as those other games you will improve the game.

Well I wouldn't say "main problem" - it's more like reality - and I'd agree that GC2 is great the way it is and shouldn't be changed to be like other games.

Why not just do like I do and use the governors and rally points. Yes, you are still cranking out armadas of construcotrs, but other than once per planet do you tell them where to go. After that, you can use the governors to mass redirect the constructor armadas to the next starbase with two clicks.

Yup. Rally points and governors can seriously cut down tedious stuff like managing the constructor armada (amongst other things). If you haven't used them I highly recommend checking them out. They are simple yet very powerful and they'll greatly reduce some of your less enjoyable micromanagement.

I would sort of prefer that your zone of influence was treated as your territory and if building starbases or bringing warships into that territory required a declaration of war - but that's just the Civ IV player in me being used to that kind of thing. GC2 maps and points of control (planets) are very different from how it is in Civ.

In reality, there is often debate over ownership of the seas. Your "civ" is on land - how much of the sea is yours? What if I want to fish in that water and I don't think you should own it? With space the issue would be greatly magnified. So if, in GC2, you don't like another race in what you consider to be your space, you have options. Leave it alone and deal or go to war.

1.) starbases. Max 10 upgrades to a fully upgraded starbase or autoupgrade if you research a new tech. 40-50 updates thats insane and no fun anymore.

econ and influene starbases have around 10 modules anyway..

Ok but why do we build starbases anyway? Would I just build 2000 attack ships instead of 2000 constructors then I could easy conquer every planet left in the galaxy. Building starbases = waste of time. As much as I love starbases in those games, I really begin to hate them in galciv2.

The thing is.. I don't get why people are complaining about one feature being annoying and then complaing about it being useless. If you think the computers are annoying for building starbases and starbases are too tedious and annoying for their worth, don't build them and just take out the AI's starbase.

Logic rofl you flamed the flamer of a flamer....so Logic that makes you flamer cubed.

3.) Computer AI cannot build starbases within the area of your influence. If he does he acts like attacking you and that means war. Its a pain when you want to build a starbase near your planets and you find that a computer AI already buildet a starbase there.

I'm fairly sure the UP council has an event which charges people for colonising planets, picking anomolies etc within your area, wouldn't be hard to mod for Starbases. As everyone keeps saying, Galciv is galciv. Don't compare it to MoO, because it's not trying to be MoO at all. They do use some things the same, but never forget that galciv came out first, on the os2.

Its like russia would build some nuclear bases right infront of washington

They did, it was called Cuba.

3.) Computer AI cannot build starbases within the area of your influence. If he does he acts like attacking you and that means war. Its a pain when you want to build a starbase near your planets and you find that a computer AI already buildet a starbase there.

I'm fairly sure the UP council has an event which charges people for colonising planets, picking anomolies etc within your area, wouldn't be hard to mod for Starbases. As everyone keeps saying, Galciv is galciv. Don't compare it to MoO, because it's not trying to be MoO at all. They do use some things the same, but never forget that galciv came out first, on the os2.

Its like russia would build some nuclear bases right infront of washington

They did, it was called Cuba.

Yes, truely, stop acting like this game should be a super-game with all of the best parts of MOO2/3, Empire At War, Civ 4, along with a little hint of Rome: Total War. It's not, it's Galactic Civilizations. They didn't want it to be just like all the games that are out or have been out for years. So stop complaining that it isn't. If you want a popular game that's fun and new, you need to do something DIFFERENT from what's been done before, not make a clone of others, whether they were successful or not.

And that, is all I have to say on that matter. Thank you ladies and gentlemen for attending this sermon.

Its like russia would build some nuclear bases right infront of washington They did, it was called Cuba.

And did they like it? or were we close to world war 3 that time? if russia hadn't remove those nuclear missiles on cuba then we prob. couldn't discuss today